Comments on: My Catholic Faith http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:16:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: On Hope » The Anthropik Network http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-3460 On Hope » The Anthropik Network Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:08:02 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-3460 [...] I guess I'm strange in that. At one time, I was a Catholic. Then, I read Quinn. Only later did I become a primitivist. Most people are very resistant to changing their worldview; I've changed mine three times, when the facts convinced me. Each conversion came at great personal cost, which makes me think that I did not make any of these conversions for psychological reasons. [...] […] I guess I’m strange in that. At one time, I was a Catholic. Then, I read Quinn. Only later did I become a primitivist. Most people are very resistant to changing their worldview; I’ve changed mine three times, when the facts convinced me. Each conversion came at great personal cost, which makes me think that I did not make any of these conversions for psychological reasons. […]

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-947 Jason Godesky Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:17:47 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-947 There are many points where Quinn's arguments are weak on historical or archaeological grounds, so I rarely make much of an attempt to justify his comments, or reconcile his thinking to my own, but if I had to, I would suggest this: pastoralists may depend on agriculture, but agriculturalists do not depend on pastoralists. They are always a fringe group, always looked down on and mistrusted. They are always preyed upon by agriculturalists. Just because they depend on farmers, doesn't mean they're <em>liked</em> by farmers.... There are many points where Quinn’s arguments are weak on historical or archaeological grounds, so I rarely make much of an attempt to justify his comments, or reconcile his thinking to my own, but if I had to, I would suggest this: pastoralists may depend on agriculture, but agriculturalists do not depend on pastoralists. They are always a fringe group, always looked down on and mistrusted. They are always preyed upon by agriculturalists. Just because they depend on farmers, doesn’t mean they’re liked by farmers….

]]> By: Quizzie http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-945 Quizzie Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:13:33 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-945 I hope it's not too late too comment on the topic... When I read Quinn's interpretation of the story of Cain and Abel, it quite made sense for me. Then I read your article "The meaning of civilization", where you wrote: "...pastoralism is an extremely unusual option... Moreover, such societies cannot exist independently of an agricultural society. I tend to think of them more as an unusual case of symbiosis with agricultural societies..." That made sense to, since the only pastoralist culture I know closely is the Bedouin one where I live, and they were partly dependant on agriculturalists (even before being forcefully settled). If the middle east pastoralists were dependant on civilization themselves, how can that story be a " distant memory of the first farmers' murderous rampages against their pastoralist neighbors"? I hope it’s not too late too comment on the topic…
When I read Quinn’s interpretation of the story of Cain and Abel, it quite made sense for me. Then I read your article “The meaning of civilization”, where you wrote:

“…pastoralism is an extremely unusual option… Moreover, such societies cannot exist independently of an agricultural society. I tend to think of them more as an unusual case of symbiosis with agricultural societies…”

That made sense to, since the only pastoralist culture I know closely is the Bedouin one where I live, and they were partly dependant on agriculturalists (even before being forcefully settled).
If the middle east pastoralists were dependant on civilization themselves, how can that story be a ” distant memory of the first farmers’ murderous rampages against their pastoralist neighbors”?

]]> By: Sandy Weston http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-93 Sandy Weston Tue, 08 Feb 2005 06:46:24 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-93 The Harknett family in the US is majorly Catholic down to the 3rd generation of decendants. They then spread to other religions. Protestants, Episcopalians, and even some Baptist. I am doing genealogy on the NYC and Bronx, NY Harknett's. I have the decendants down to 2004. The children were born all over. NY, Ohio, California, North Carolina, Illinois, and Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii. I have spoken to most of the cousins from 80+ yrs. to 11 yrs. old. There are only a few who have thought so far into their religion. I'm amazed! David Harknett is my cousin. His father is <em>[name and location removed by administrator for privacy]</em>. He can get in touch with me at westonsays@aol.com Sandy*....like the beach The Harknett family in the US is majorly Catholic down to the 3rd generation of decendants. They then spread to other religions. Protestants, Episcopalians, and even some Baptist. I am doing genealogy on the NYC and Bronx, NY Harknett’s. I have the decendants down to 2004. The children were born all over. NY, Ohio, California, North Carolina, Illinois, and Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii. I have spoken to most of the cousins from 80+ yrs. to 11 yrs. old. There are only a few who have thought so far into their religion. I’m amazed! David Harknett is my cousin. His father is [name and location removed by administrator for privacy]. He can get in touch with me at westonsays@aol.com

Sandy*….like the beach

]]> By: David Harknett http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-22 David Harknett Thu, 03 Feb 2005 04:49:03 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-22 I want to know God's speaking so that I can partake of His plan. I do read the Bible and I have read a little of other religious texts, like the book of Mormon and the Koran. I think people misinterpret the Bible and I think people do not have God's authority when they do things. I want to do what is right more than anything else -for myself and for others. I am thinking of and trying to read Nitze (sp?) and any other texts which may be of use to understand how people have viewed God, in order to myself get out of the Christian dogma I am constricted by. My group says commonly, "The Lord is in your spirit," (as opposed to our mind) and, "Just take Christ as life," (as opposed to taking him as teachings) I think that is important and I can't help but believe in it still. But, because I grew up foolish - never respectable in my own eyes - I felt that my parents had failed me somehow. I don't believe they did fail me, for I cannot have any criticism towards them in my being else I would ruin my own life as it includes them and their continued support. Yet still, I am seeking only God. It is not to satisfy any person's unfair requirement of me, but it is to, as regards satisfying men, seek peace with men, and as regards myself obtain salvation. I need help though. If you want to, write back. Thank You. I want to know God’s speaking so that I can partake of His plan. I do read the Bible and I have read a little of other religious texts, like the book of Mormon and the Koran. I think people misinterpret the Bible and I think people do not have God’s authority when they do things. I want to do what is right more than anything else -for myself and for others. I am thinking of and trying to read Nitze (sp?) and any other texts which may be of use to understand how people have viewed God, in order to myself get out of the Christian dogma I am constricted by. My group says commonly, “The Lord is in your spirit,” (as opposed to our mind) and, “Just take Christ as life,” (as opposed to taking him as teachings) I think that is important and I can’t help but believe in it still. But, because I grew up foolish - never respectable in my own eyes - I felt that my parents had failed me somehow. I don’t believe they did fail me, for I cannot have any criticism towards them in my being else I would ruin my own life as it includes them and their continued support. Yet still, I am seeking only God. It is not to satisfy any person’s unfair requirement of me, but it is to, as regards satisfying men, seek peace with men, and as regards myself obtain salvation. I need help though. If you want to, write back. Thank You.

]]> By: A Very Different Bible » The Anthropik Network http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-136 A Very Different Bible » The Anthropik Network Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith/#comment-136 [...] thology It's difficult to think now how a Christian conservative--<a href="http://anthropik.com/2005/02/my-catholic-faith">as I once was</a>--can read the Bible as "their" book. The condemnation of civilization now seems res [...] […] thology
It’s difficult to think now how a Christian conservative–as I once was–can read the Bible as “their” book. The condemnation of civilization now seems res […]

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