Comments on: The Opposite of Malthus http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:25:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-14826 Jason Godesky Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:48:00 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-14826 Thanks, Steve. You may be interested in <a href="http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-4-human-population-is-a-function-of-food-supply/" rel="nofollow">Thesis #4: Human population is a function of food supply</a>, which is an updated and expanded version of this article as part of the <a href="http://anthropik.com/thirty" rel="nofollow">Thirty Theses</a>—of course, <em>that</em> article will be updated and expanded again later this year, when the Thirty Theses becomes a book. Thanks, Steve. You may be interested in Thesis #4: Human population is a function of food supply, which is an updated and expanded version of this article as part of the Thirty Theses—of course, that article will be updated and expanded again later this year, when the Thirty Theses becomes a book.

]]> By: Steven Earl Salmony, Ph.D., M.P.A. http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-14825 Steven Earl Salmony, Ph.D., M.P.A. Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:32:34 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-14825 This discussion of the global predicament before humanity is one of the most valuable I have seen on the internet. Thank you for it. At the current scale and rate of growth of the human population worldwide, human propagation, per human overconsumption and the seemingly endless expansion of production capabilities on the small, finite planet we inhabit could be patently unsustainable beyond Century XXI. Sincerely, Steve This discussion of the global predicament before humanity is one of the most valuable I have seen on the internet. Thank you for it. At the current scale and rate of growth of the human population worldwide, human propagation, per human overconsumption and the seemingly endless expansion of production capabilities on the small, finite planet we inhabit could be patently unsustainable beyond Century XXI. Sincerely, Steve

]]> By: weezel http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-771 weezel Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:48:11 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-771 No, the first world will "suffer" less from global warming and peak oil, although they may lose more toys and bitch more. Global warming will mean hotter places become unlivable, or at best require alternative crops. First world countries are (1) cold and (2) more able to change crops then third world countries. Peak oil means trade costs more, meaning less food moves food from first world to third world, meaning less food in the third world and cheaper food in the first world. Anyway, peak oil does not mean "no oil," it just means oil gets expencive, so nylon, plastics, some medications, lubricants, etc. all get more expencive, but they will still be affordable long after your old oil burnning car is scrap. No, the first world will “suffer” less from global warming and peak oil, although they may lose more toys and bitch more. Global warming will mean hotter places become unlivable, or at best require alternative crops. First world countries are (1) cold and (2) more able to change crops then third world countries. Peak oil means trade costs more, meaning less food moves food from first world to third world, meaning less food in the third world and cheaper food in the first world. Anyway, peak oil does not mean “no oil,” it just means oil gets expencive, so nylon, plastics, some medications, lubricants, etc. all get more expencive, but they will still be affordable long after your old oil burnning car is scrap.

]]> By: Peak Energy http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-459 Peak Energy Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:33:41 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-459 <strong>http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2005/04/peak-oil-op</strong> Rob over at "Peak Oil Optimist" had a rather demented freak-out this week about the millenialist tendencies in some peak oil circles (and gives a very good example of how not to deal with sensible comments - if you don't like reasoned debate than ju... http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2005/04/peak-oil-op

Rob over at “Peak Oil Optimist” had a rather demented freak-out this week about the millenialist tendencies in some peak oil circles (and gives a very good example of how not to deal with sensible comments - if you don’t like reasoned debate than ju…

]]> By: On Optimism » The Anthropik Network http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-457 On Optimism » The Anthropik Network Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:03:10 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-457 [...] ould seem, is not a fan of my work. He had some choice words concerning my recent piece, "The Opposite of Malthus," which seems to be enjoying some circu [...] […] ould seem, is not a fan of my work. He had some choice words concerning my recent piece, “The Opposite of Malthus,” which seems to be enjoying some circu […]

]]> By: The Oil Drum (profgoose) http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-448 The Oil Drum (profgoose) Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:07:38 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-448 I was also thinking about the amount of charity (food, water, etc.) that the first world sends to #2 and #3...once an oil crisis really begins (depending if you buy the alarmist hypothesis that it's going to happen quickly or secularly), the first world ain't gonna be so charitable... I was also thinking about the amount of charity (food, water, etc.) that the first world sends to #2 and #3…once an oil crisis really begins (depending if you buy the alarmist hypothesis that it’s going to happen quickly or secularly), the first world ain’t gonna be so charitable…

]]> By: Gus http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-446 Gus Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:08:06 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-446 Not just oil-based agriculture, but oil used in countless other things most of us rarely think about: fabric (nylon), plastics, some medications, lots of technology, the processes that make countless things, etc. Many of those things would be lost in a society-wide triage before our agricultural system goes. Not just oil-based agriculture, but oil used in countless other things most of us rarely think about: fabric (nylon), plastics, some medications, lots of technology, the processes that make countless things, etc. Many of those things would be lost in a society-wide triage before our agricultural system goes.

]]> By: The Chicken & the Egg, or, Hierarchy Formation & the Agricultural Revolution » The Anthropik Network http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-444 The Chicken & the Egg, or, Hierarchy Formation & the Agricultural Revolution » The Anthropik Network Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:37:00 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-444 [...] Or, at least, that's part of the story. Human populations, like all animal populations, are controlled by food supply, so what [...] […] Or, at least, that’s part of the story. Human populations, like all animal populations, are controlled by food supply, so what […]

]]> By: The Oil Drum (profgoose) http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-441 The Oil Drum (profgoose) Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:24:48 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-441 A good point... Sure, the first world quality of life will decline...but, I guess I think of our gluttony and relative bounty as sustaining the first world for a while before the "shit hits the fan..." We have so far to fall...but you're right, the second and third world's used to living with a lack of resources. Still, our institutions could break under the strain of a quick devolution of quality of life... A good point…

Sure, the first world quality of life will decline…but, I guess I think of our gluttony and relative bounty as sustaining the first world for a while before the “shit hits the fan…” We have so far to fall…but you’re right, the second and third world’s used to living with a lack of resources.

Still, our institutions could break under the strain of a quick devolution of quality of life…

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-440 Jason Godesky Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:52:51 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2005/04/the-opposite-of-malthus/#comment-440 Actually, it's interesting that the First World may be the <em>first</em> to suffer. We are the most dependent on oil-based agriculture, while the third world might have an easier time shifting to other forms of cultivation. We are the most dependent, like alpha predators in a food web, we may be the first to go. Actually, it’s interesting that the First World may be the first to suffer. We are the most dependent on oil-based agriculture, while the third world might have an easier time shifting to other forms of cultivation. We are the most dependent, like alpha predators in a food web, we may be the first to go.

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