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	<title>Comments on: Thesis #3: Humans are products of evolution.</title>
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		<title>By: L K Tucker</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-117758</link>
		<dc:creator>L K Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 19:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the often unconsidered elements of evolution is that adaptations must exist before the stressor that shapes society and animals happens. 

There is no magic that causes adaptation in response to a previous stressor. 

There is evidence that man is best suited to roving bands in a problem discovered in the 1960's.

Knowledge  workers began to have mental breaks while using the first prototypes of close-spaced workstations. 

Subliminal Sight and Peripheral Vision Reflexes had operated in those "special conditions" to cause the mental events. 

The cubicle was created to deal with this phenomenon of physiology.


This is a normal, usually harmless, feature of all physiology. 

It would never have happened in early human history before man learned to build structures and make tools. 

There is no behavior that would have caused early may to sit for hours each day concentrating while there was repeating detectable movement in peripheral vision. 

See the Chaco Canyon page at VisionAndPsychosis.Net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the often unconsidered elements of evolution is that adaptations must exist before the stressor that shapes society and animals happens. </p>
<p>There is no magic that causes adaptation in response to a previous stressor. </p>
<p>There is evidence that man is best suited to roving bands in a problem discovered in the 1960&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Knowledge  workers began to have mental breaks while using the first prototypes of close-spaced workstations. </p>
<p>Subliminal Sight and Peripheral Vision Reflexes had operated in those &#8220;special conditions&#8221; to cause the mental events. </p>
<p>The cubicle was created to deal with this phenomenon of physiology.</p>
<p>This is a normal, usually harmless, feature of all physiology. </p>
<p>It would never have happened in early human history before man learned to build structures and make tools. </p>
<p>There is no behavior that would have caused early may to sit for hours each day concentrating while there was repeating detectable movement in peripheral vision. </p>
<p>See the Chaco Canyon page at VisionAndPsychosis.Net.</p>
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		<title>By: gg3</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-47508</link>
		<dc:creator>gg3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-47508</guid>
		<description>It also used to be said that consciousness, defined as awareness of self, was a distinguishing feature of humans.  This was put to rest by experiments demonstrating behavior consistent with self-awareness among various other species of mammals.  

However, the picture gets more interesting from there.   Hameroff's &#38; Penrose's theory of consciousness requires only a very simple brain or neural network, and thus extends the potential for consciousness to a far wider range of organisms.  For various reasons that would take too long to explain here, consciousness in organisms including humans is not continuous but is intermittent, occurring in discrete intervals driven by the "clock speed" of the brain or neural network.  

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As for ethnocentrism, though most of us here take a dim view of the dominant culture, we are after all using Western science and logical systems as the primary standards for evaluating objective truth.  This hardly invalidates the basic premise, but it does lead to the question of whether certain things are not just arbitrarily valued by certain cultures but instead have a value that is universal or nearly so.  

That is, in an objective sense, elements of culture can be ranked as better or worse in terms of stated purposes and in terms of consequences.  This leads inexorably to comparisons in which some cultures are found "better" and others "worse" in a general sense.  We should not shy away from saying as much when it is called for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also used to be said that consciousness, defined as awareness of self, was a distinguishing feature of humans.  This was put to rest by experiments demonstrating behavior consistent with self-awareness among various other species of mammals.  </p>
<p>However, the picture gets more interesting from there.   Hameroff&#8217;s &amp; Penrose&#8217;s theory of consciousness requires only a very simple brain or neural network, and thus extends the potential for consciousness to a far wider range of organisms.  For various reasons that would take too long to explain here, consciousness in organisms including humans is not continuous but is intermittent, occurring in discrete intervals driven by the &#8220;clock speed&#8221; of the brain or neural network.  </p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>As for ethnocentrism, though most of us here take a dim view of the dominant culture, we are after all using Western science and logical systems as the primary standards for evaluating objective truth.  This hardly invalidates the basic premise, but it does lead to the question of whether certain things are not just arbitrarily valued by certain cultures but instead have a value that is universal or nearly so.  </p>
<p>That is, in an objective sense, elements of culture can be ranked as better or worse in terms of stated purposes and in terms of consequences.  This leads inexorably to comparisons in which some cultures are found &#8220;better&#8221; and others &#8220;worse&#8221; in a general sense.  We should not shy away from saying as much when it is called for.</p>
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		<title>By: David A. Jones</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-18402</link>
		<dc:creator>David A. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-18402</guid>
		<description>Language is a form of communication but not the only one. Moreover, not all vocal communication is necessarily language. Language is a highly structured form of communication among humans but all animals communicate with their own. Species is defined by various observed characteristics one of the most commonly assumed but least noted is the ability of members to communicate effectively and efficiently with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language is a form of communication but not the only one. Moreover, not all vocal communication is necessarily language. Language is a highly structured form of communication among humans but all animals communicate with their own. Species is defined by various observed characteristics one of the most commonly assumed but least noted is the ability of members to communicate effectively and efficiently with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Thesis #6: Humans are still Pleistocene animals. The Anthropik Network</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Thesis #6: Humans are still Pleistocene animals. The Anthropik Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-1107</guid>
		<description>[...] Thanks mostly to anthropocentrism, our genus, Homo, suffers from what may well be the single most ridiculous defining criteria in all of science: we use tools. Of course, we have found tool use in other animals (as we touched on in thesis #3), and it is entirely likely that various australopithecines used wooden tools at least as complicated as those fashioned by modern-day chimpanzees or crows. Chimpanzees have even been observed with the rare stone tool. But the primary reason that this distinction is so laughable as a biological genus is that it is entirely behavioral, and utterly divorced from biology! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Thanks mostly to anthropocentrism, our genus, Homo, suffers from what may well be the single most ridiculous defining criteria in all of science: we use tools. Of course, we have found tool use in other animals (as we touched on in thesis #3), and it is entirely likely that various australopithecines used wooden tools at least as complicated as those fashioned by modern-day chimpanzees or crows. Chimpanzees have even been observed with the rare stone tool. But the primary reason that this distinction is so laughable as a biological genus is that it is entirely behavioral, and utterly divorced from biology! [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-872</guid>
		<description>The end needs to be fleshed out &lt;em&gt;a lot&lt;/em&gt;, with a &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; fuller discussion of the trajectory of human evolution.  Here's a short outline of what needs to be added:
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&lt;li&gt;Humans are social animals.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We took the whole "culture" thing to a new extreme, so our behavior has to be both adaptable and deeply felt--hence, the powerful hold of acculturation.  Allows learned behaviors and attitudes to be nearly as deep as genetic reflexes.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Egalitarian groups are an important, defining characteristic of our evolution.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The end needs to be fleshed out <em>a lot</em>, with a <em>much</em> fuller discussion of the trajectory of human evolution.  Here&#8217;s a short outline of what needs to be added:</p>
<ol>
<li>Humans are social animals.</li>
<li>We took the whole &#8220;culture&#8221; thing to a new extreme, so our behavior has to be both adaptable and deeply felt&#8211;hence, the powerful hold of acculturation.  Allows learned behaviors and attitudes to be nearly as deep as genetic reflexes.</li>
<li>Egalitarian groups are an important, defining characteristic of our evolution.</li>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-865</guid>
		<description>Fascinating ... a quick search on  &lt;a href="http://clusty.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Clusty&lt;/a&gt; came up with this: "&lt;a href="http://www.chinchilla-sounds.de/index_en.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Sounds Made by the Chinchillas&lt;/a&gt;."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating &#8230; a quick search on  <a href="http://clusty.com" rel="nofollow">Clusty</a> came up with this: &#8220;<a href="http://www.chinchilla-sounds.de/index_en.htm" rel="nofollow">The Sounds Made by the Chinchillas</a>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-863</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-863</guid>
		<description>Chinchillas also have a highly developed language. They are monstrously intelligent for thier tiny size, but then again, they have a huge brain-size to body-mass ratio. Chinchillas were originally Andean creatures, but they were imported to America (and much of the rest of the world) as pets or for their pelts. Interestingly enough, American chinchillas and Peruvian chinchillas have been observed to have distinct dialectical differences; the sounds they makes, the length of the noises they produce, etc. Chinchillas that are separated from their mothers and other chins at birth often don't make any sounds at all, implying that the language may be a learned behavior. Too little scientific and empiric research has been done on these cute liddle critters to say any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinchillas also have a highly developed language. They are monstrously intelligent for thier tiny size, but then again, they have a huge brain-size to body-mass ratio. Chinchillas were originally Andean creatures, but they were imported to America (and much of the rest of the world) as pets or for their pelts. Interestingly enough, American chinchillas and Peruvian chinchillas have been observed to have distinct dialectical differences; the sounds they makes, the length of the noises they produce, etc. Chinchillas that are separated from their mothers and other chins at birth often don&#8217;t make any sounds at all, implying that the language may be a learned behavior. Too little scientific and empiric research has been done on these cute liddle critters to say any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-862</guid>
		<description>Cultural change.  Irrelevant, largely.  America has changed greatly over the past century, but jingoism has not.  Ethnocentrism is essentially the attitude of "my country, right or wrong."  It is an unthinking, unreasoned devotion to one's own culture simply because it is one's own--the change of that culture is, thus, irrelevant.

People may or may not be ethnocentric.  You and I are not.  Cultures, however, are &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; ethnocentric.  It's a universal among all &lt;em&gt;cultures&lt;/em&gt;.  Individuals who opt out of that mindset are a fringe.  In a particularly volatile situation, they might be able to be a catalyst to tip things one way or the other, but in general they are too marginal to have any major effect on the course of history.

I agree, linear evolution and humans' place on the food chain could definitely use some treatment.  I probably won't add ethnocentrism to the Thirty Theses, but an article of its own is certainly justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cultural change.  Irrelevant, largely.  America has changed greatly over the past century, but jingoism has not.  Ethnocentrism is essentially the attitude of &#8220;my country, right or wrong.&#8221;  It is an unthinking, unreasoned devotion to one&#8217;s own culture simply because it is one&#8217;s own&#8211;the change of that culture is, thus, irrelevant.</p>
<p>People may or may not be ethnocentric.  You and I are not.  Cultures, however, are <em>always</em> ethnocentric.  It&#8217;s a universal among all <em>cultures</em>.  Individuals who opt out of that mindset are a fringe.  In a particularly volatile situation, they might be able to be a catalyst to tip things one way or the other, but in general they are too marginal to have any major effect on the course of history.</p>
<p>I agree, linear evolution and humans&#8217; place on the food chain could definitely use some treatment.  I probably won&#8217;t add ethnocentrism to the Thirty Theses, but an article of its own is certainly justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-861</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/07/thesis-3-humans-are-products-of-evolution/#comment-861</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ethnocentrism is a universal among all human cultures; it helps keep them together as a culture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting, but I'd like to see you expound on this some more. What about cultural revolution? Where does cultural change fit in with ethnocentrism? For instance, I'm completely disgusted with our culture -- am I, personally, still ethnocentric? Or are you speaking about cultures in general? I can concede that "our" culture has no lack of ethnocentrism, and thus perpetuates itself readily, but where do those who seek change fit in? As the universality of ethnocentrism is a central thesis of yours, perhaps you could do an entire post on it... (add it to your thirty theses somewhere?)

Also, in your refined version of this post, I'd be interested to see you contradict the common myth that &lt;a href="http://www.awok.org/AnotherWayOfLiving/KincaidNaturesLittleRuleBook" rel="nofollow"&gt;evolution is not linear&lt;/a&gt;. While you're at it, the idea that humans are at the top of the food chain and thus superior to other beings could use a good debunking as well.

Well written post, keep them coming. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ethnocentrism is a universal among all human cultures; it helps keep them together as a culture.</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting, but I&#8217;d like to see you expound on this some more. What about cultural revolution? Where does cultural change fit in with ethnocentrism? For instance, I&#8217;m completely disgusted with our culture &#8212; am I, personally, still ethnocentric? Or are you speaking about cultures in general? I can concede that &#8220;our&#8221; culture has no lack of ethnocentrism, and thus perpetuates itself readily, but where do those who seek change fit in? As the universality of ethnocentrism is a central thesis of yours, perhaps you could do an entire post on it&#8230; (add it to your thirty theses somewhere?)</p>
<p>Also, in your refined version of this post, I&#8217;d be interested to see you contradict the common myth that <a href="http://www.awok.org/AnotherWayOfLiving/KincaidNaturesLittleRuleBook" rel="nofollow">evolution is not linear</a>. While you&#8217;re at it, the idea that humans are at the top of the food chain and thus superior to other beings could use a good debunking as well.</p>
<p>Well written post, keep them coming. <img src='http://anthropik.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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