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	<title>Comments on: On Katrina</title>
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		<title>By: The Slow Crash (The Anthropik Network)</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-84286</link>
		<dc:creator>The Slow Crash (The Anthropik Network)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When we look at the status of these succeeding nation-states, a picture of collapse becomes even clearer. The Failed States Index shows nearly all of the post-colonial world ranging between "Alert" and "Warning." But the index does not show other significant areas of collapse: it shows Australia as "Sustainable," despite mounting signs of ecological collapse (Diamond, 2005). It does not make any mention of the similar pressures in Montana (Diamond, 2005). Neither does it highlight post-Katrina New Orleans.3, 4 A map of the Failed States Index highlights that for most of the world, collapse is not a future possibility but a very present reality, yet it is still too rosy a picture. Collapse even looms large in the First World. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] When we look at the status of these succeeding nation-states, a picture of collapse becomes even clearer. The Failed States Index shows nearly all of the post-colonial world ranging between &#8220;Alert&#8221; and &#8220;Warning.&#8221; But the index does not show other significant areas of collapse: it shows Australia as &#8220;Sustainable,&#8221; despite mounting signs of ecological collapse (Diamond, 2005). It does not make any mention of the similar pressures in Montana (Diamond, 2005). Neither does it highlight post-Katrina New Orleans.3, 4 A map of the Failed States Index highlights that for most of the world, collapse is not a future possibility but a very present reality, yet it is still too rosy a picture. Collapse even looms large in the First World. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: We All Fall Down &#187; The Anthropik Network</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>We All Fall Down &#187; The Anthropik Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1546</guid>
		<description>[...] More recently, we have seen another dramatic example of such a collapse: in New Orleans, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Once again, surrounding complex societies--the United States, in this case--quickly moved to reabsorb the collapsed area into the system of complexity. Once again, increased complexity is our response to every challenge: rather than simplify and simply abandon the unsustainable site of New Orleans, the city will be rebuilt, driving the diminishing returns of the complexity strategy lower. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] More recently, we have seen another dramatic example of such a collapse: in New Orleans, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Once again, surrounding complex societies&#8211;the United States, in this case&#8211;quickly moved to reabsorb the collapsed area into the system of complexity. Once again, increased complexity is our response to every challenge: rather than simplify and simply abandon the unsustainable site of New Orleans, the city will be rebuilt, driving the diminishing returns of the complexity strategy lower. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Can we call it &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; yet? &#187; The Anthropik Network</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1405</link>
		<dc:creator>Can we call it &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; yet? &#187; The Anthropik Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1405</guid>
		<description>[...] The big, nightmare scenario of global warming was, ironically enough, a very, very cold winter in northern Europe. Scientists have long known that the polar ice caps would bear the brunt of any kind of global warming, and so their research has tended to focus there. The New Yorker published a fantastic, three-part series by Elizabeth Kolbert on this in April [1, 2, 3] We've previously discussed the melting of Siberia's permafrost and its implications. But now that New Orleans has been pumped dry after Katrina, and is now being evacuated in the face of Rita, it's time to seriously consider the issue that we're finally seeing global warming wreaking havoc upon our civilization. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The big, nightmare scenario of global warming was, ironically enough, a very, very cold winter in northern Europe. Scientists have long known that the polar ice caps would bear the brunt of any kind of global warming, and so their research has tended to focus there. The New Yorker published a fantastic, three-part series by Elizabeth Kolbert on this in April [1, 2, 3] We&#8217;ve previously discussed the melting of Siberia&#8217;s permafrost and its implications. But now that New Orleans has been pumped dry after Katrina, and is now being evacuated in the face of Rita, it&#8217;s time to seriously consider the issue that we&#8217;re finally seeing global warming wreaking havoc upon our civilization. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1390</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;img src="http://maps.wunderground.com/data/images/at200518.gif" title="Tropical Storm Rita tracking map from Weather Underground" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Tropical Storm Rita is making a bee-line for the Gulf of Mexico.  The Gulf's surface temperatures are practically searing.  &lt;a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/9/19/05050/1483" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here's a bit from the Oil Drum&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Some time before Hurricane season we posted a reference from the UK where one of their submarines had been measuring Arctic ice. It found that one of the driving forces for the Gulf Stream, the Odden ice shelf, which used to grow out into the Greenland Sea from the Arctic ice cap each winter, had stopped forming.  As a result it no longer melted in the spring driving cold water down to the bottom of the Atlantic, and thereby helping power the Gulf Stream.  In consequence with the GS running slower less heat is being taken out of the Gulf and sent North.

While I do not have the original reference to hand, the &lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1602579,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Times&lt;/a&gt; has an equivalent story, that describes what has occurred.  

With more heat left in the waters of the Gulf, this provides additional power to hurricanes that enter that body of water, with consequences that we have seen in Katrina, and, sadly, may now begin to expect from Rita.  It also means that the winters in Western Europe may not be as pleasant in the future.  Which given some of the depletion rates from the supplies in the North Sea, and the inability of Russia to significantly increase exports, may be giving the British Government, among others, a bit of heartburn right now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The disruption of the Gulf Stream has long been the global warming doomsday scenario--and now we're actually seeing it happen.  It's making the Gulf of Mexico a veritable factory that turns any cyclone that enters into a major hurricane, and it will likely mean a very cold winter in Europe.  In the long run, we're talking about the end of the modern European climate from this.  In the very short term, we're talking about the possibility of Rita as Katrina's sequel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518.html" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://maps.wunderground.com/data/images/at200518.gif" title="Tropical Storm Rita tracking map from Weather Underground" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Tropical Storm Rita is making a bee-line for the Gulf of Mexico.  The Gulf&#8217;s surface temperatures are practically searing.  <a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/9/19/05050/1483" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a bit from the Oil Drum</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Some time before Hurricane season we posted a reference from the UK where one of their submarines had been measuring Arctic ice. It found that one of the driving forces for the Gulf Stream, the Odden ice shelf, which used to grow out into the Greenland Sea from the Arctic ice cap each winter, had stopped forming.  As a result it no longer melted in the spring driving cold water down to the bottom of the Atlantic, and thereby helping power the Gulf Stream.  In consequence with the GS running slower less heat is being taken out of the Gulf and sent North.</p>
<p>While I do not have the original reference to hand, the <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1602579,00.html" rel="nofollow">Times</a> has an equivalent story, that describes what has occurred.  </p>
<p>With more heat left in the waters of the Gulf, this provides additional power to hurricanes that enter that body of water, with consequences that we have seen in Katrina, and, sadly, may now begin to expect from Rita.  It also means that the winters in Western Europe may not be as pleasant in the future.  Which given some of the depletion rates from the supplies in the North Sea, and the inability of Russia to significantly increase exports, may be giving the British Government, among others, a bit of heartburn right now.</p></blockquote>
<p>The disruption of the Gulf Stream has long been the global warming doomsday scenario&#8211;and now we&#8217;re actually seeing it happen.  It&#8217;s making the Gulf of Mexico a veritable factory that turns any cyclone that enters into a major hurricane, and it will likely mean a very cold winter in Europe.  In the long run, we&#8217;re talking about the end of the modern European climate from this.  In the very short term, we&#8217;re talking about the possibility of Rita as Katrina&#8217;s sequel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1261</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Then what's the rush to pump it out?&lt;/em&gt;

They fully intend to rebuild.  That can't start until you pump it out and tear everything down.  People can't come home until new homes are built.  Meanwhile, that toxic brew of chemicals, sewage, flood water and corpses threatens to become a massive epidemic.  And, there are still some people in there who can't be rescued until it's pumped out.  So, it's possible that he was being earnest about his concern for human lives.

Obviously no one cares about the environmental effects ... but then, this is the Gulf.  Dumping all of that in the Gulf is like pissing on a 10-foot tall pile of dung.  Just a toxic lugie in the putrid ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Then what&#8217;s the rush to pump it out?</em></p>
<p>They fully intend to rebuild.  That can&#8217;t start until you pump it out and tear everything down.  People can&#8217;t come home until new homes are built.  Meanwhile, that toxic brew of chemicals, sewage, flood water and corpses threatens to become a massive epidemic.  And, there are still some people in there who can&#8217;t be rescued until it&#8217;s pumped out.  So, it&#8217;s possible that he was being earnest about his concern for human lives.</p>
<p>Obviously no one cares about the environmental effects &#8230; but then, this is the Gulf.  Dumping all of that in the Gulf is like pissing on a 10-foot tall pile of dung.  Just a toxic lugie in the putrid ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1260</guid>
		<description>Indeed.  I believe it was after 9/11 that I predicted that Clinton, through no fault (or virtue) of his own, would be remembered as our Marcus Aurelius, simply for being the man in the chair at the time of our empire's peak.  The Soviet Union gone, the world's last hyperpower, a booming economy, the golden age of the internets ... oh, if Rush could only know that he made his career disparaging one who will likely be remembered as one of our greatest presidents.

I say that without irony, though it is mostly a statement of disdain for how low a bar the American Presidency has historically set.

9/11 was the kind of event that, while relatively small in itself, can set many things in motion.  The pebble that sets down the avalanche, if you will.  Few yet recognize it as such, but 11 September 2001 marked the beginning of &lt;a href="http://www.jeffvail.net/2005/09/defending-pala-rhizome-as-mode-of.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;the last war&lt;/a&gt;.

That alone was enough to set us marching towards collapse.  Now Katrina--an event that also seems like a catalyst, but of a very different kind.  We're watching cascading failures in real time--economic failures, humanitarian failures, ecological failures, infrastructural failures, policy failures, administrative failures, energy failures.  It is precisely the kind of event that hits civilization in it's Achilles' heel.

Things are happening fast now.  The news frightens Giuli.  I tell her not to be frightened.  The more quickly it happens, the more quickly it will end.  And once it is over....

Well, we have a choice on what to focus on.  We can focus on the fact that we will soon face the greatest tribulation any animal has ever endured.  Or we can focus on the fact that we will soon become the first of our line in dozens, and sometimes hundreds, of generations ... to be free.

I remain an optimist.  I choose to focus on the promise of what lies on the other side, not the storm that is brewing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  I believe it was after 9/11 that I predicted that Clinton, through no fault (or virtue) of his own, would be remembered as our Marcus Aurelius, simply for being the man in the chair at the time of our empire&#8217;s peak.  The Soviet Union gone, the world&#8217;s last hyperpower, a booming economy, the golden age of the internets &#8230; oh, if Rush could only know that he made his career disparaging one who will likely be remembered as one of our greatest presidents.</p>
<p>I say that without irony, though it is mostly a statement of disdain for how low a bar the American Presidency has historically set.</p>
<p>9/11 was the kind of event that, while relatively small in itself, can set many things in motion.  The pebble that sets down the avalanche, if you will.  Few yet recognize it as such, but 11 September 2001 marked the beginning of <a href="http://www.jeffvail.net/2005/09/defending-pala-rhizome-as-mode-of.html" rel="nofollow">the last war</a>.</p>
<p>That alone was enough to set us marching towards collapse.  Now Katrina&#8211;an event that also seems like a catalyst, but of a very different kind.  We&#8217;re watching cascading failures in real time&#8211;economic failures, humanitarian failures, ecological failures, infrastructural failures, policy failures, administrative failures, energy failures.  It is precisely the kind of event that hits civilization in it&#8217;s Achilles&#8217; heel.</p>
<p>Things are happening fast now.  The news frightens Giuli.  I tell her not to be frightened.  The more quickly it happens, the more quickly it will end.  And once it is over&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well, we have a choice on what to focus on.  We can focus on the fact that we will soon face the greatest tribulation any animal has ever endured.  Or we can focus on the fact that we will soon become the first of our line in dozens, and sometimes hundreds, of generations &#8230; to be free.</p>
<p>I remain an optimist.  I choose to focus on the promise of what lies on the other side, not the storm that is brewing now.</p>
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		<title>By: Raku</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>Raku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1259</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are still some people in there, but most of the property is long gone already. Most buildings will need to be demolished, just to be on the safe side after that kind of exposure.&lt;/i&gt;

Then what's the rush to pump it out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are still some people in there, but most of the property is long gone already. Most buildings will need to be demolished, just to be on the safe side after that kind of exposure.</i></p>
<p>Then what&#8217;s the rush to pump it out?</p>
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		<title>By: JCamasto</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>JCamasto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1258</guid>
		<description>Regarding Bush as Disaster Prez: I'm not thumbing him up or down - just linking his happenstance of being the ass occupying the Number One Chair of the mighty US - when the towers fell and the cities flooded...

-Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Bush as Disaster Prez: I&#8217;m not thumbing him up or down - just linking his happenstance of being the ass occupying the Number One Chair of the mighty US - when the towers fell and the cities flooded&#8230;</p>
<p>-Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1257</guid>
		<description>There are still some people in there, but most of the property is long gone already.  Most buildings will need to be demolished, just to be on the safe side after that kind of exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still some people in there, but most of the property is long gone already.  Most buildings will need to be demolished, just to be on the safe side after that kind of exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Raku</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>Raku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/09/on-katrina/#comment-1256</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Read: "...for the sake of civilization and human lives..."&lt;/i&gt;

And not even - we're not even talking about human lives now; We're talking about human property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Read: &#8220;&#8230;for the sake of civilization and human lives&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And not even - we&#8217;re not even talking about human lives now; We&#8217;re talking about human property.</p>
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