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	<title>Comments on: Sacred Addicts</title>
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		<title>By: Moughessangana</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-180194</link>
		<dc:creator>Moughessangana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/24/094810.php

Cultural Spiritual Colonialism; Witness a Theft in Progress; West Central Africa.
      
Below is a posted response (tribenet Iboga) to a White So.African businessman who publicly slandered Gabonese (Africa) Traditional Practitioner Nganga Mallendi.

So.African Simon, Subjects Nganga Mallendi to the Erroneous Criteria of A NewAge Plastic Techno Shaman. 

Simon, A So.African, Nganga wanna-be, has the gall to Subject Multi- Generational Nganga Mallendi to NewAge Concepts of Neo-Shamanism. 

Spiritual Genocide; Simon's Super Plastic Shaman Criteria is an Assault on the Prior Art of Nganga Mallendi. Simon &#38; the likes are going for the throats of Traditional Practitioners to eliminate the competition. Simon &#38; other Spiritual Neo-Colonists are patently damning African Indigenous knowledge into Oblivion. 

Will Nganga Mallendi's great great grandchildren be persecuted by the WTO for patent infringement for using Iboga? or perhaps be forced to use Synthetic derivatives at a high cost? 

Contrary to Synthetic BS.....Iboga is safer than ibogaine and being treated in Gabon by an Nganga would be first on my list just because of the history of Pentagon funded 'Skunk Projects' aimed at data collection, &#38; duping unwitting guinea pigs into submitting to experimentation &#38; unnecessary screening. Medical Apartheid. 

Go for treatment from Synthetic, &#38; he won't even give you a little soup after, what a Schlump! 

Simon could learn a lot from Mallendi. Mallendi fed us after Iboga.</description>
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<p>Cultural Spiritual Colonialism; Witness a Theft in Progress; West Central Africa.</p>
<p>Below is a posted response (tribenet Iboga) to a White So.African businessman who publicly slandered Gabonese (Africa) Traditional Practitioner Nganga Mallendi.</p>
<p>So.African Simon, Subjects Nganga Mallendi to the Erroneous Criteria of A NewAge Plastic Techno Shaman. </p>
<p>Simon, A So.African, Nganga wanna-be, has the gall to Subject Multi- Generational Nganga Mallendi to NewAge Concepts of Neo-Shamanism. </p>
<p>Spiritual Genocide; Simon&#8217;s Super Plastic Shaman Criteria is an Assault on the Prior Art of Nganga Mallendi. Simon &amp; the likes are going for the throats of Traditional Practitioners to eliminate the competition. Simon &amp; other Spiritual Neo-Colonists are patently damning African Indigenous knowledge into Oblivion. </p>
<p>Will Nganga Mallendi&#8217;s great great grandchildren be persecuted by the WTO for patent infringement for using Iboga? or perhaps be forced to use Synthetic derivatives at a high cost? </p>
<p>Contrary to Synthetic BS&#8230;..Iboga is safer than ibogaine and being treated in Gabon by an Nganga would be first on my list just because of the history of Pentagon funded &#8216;Skunk Projects&#8217; aimed at data collection, &amp; duping unwitting guinea pigs into submitting to experimentation &amp; unnecessary screening. Medical Apartheid. </p>
<p>Go for treatment from Synthetic, &amp; he won&#8217;t even give you a little soup after, what a Schlump! </p>
<p>Simon could learn a lot from Mallendi. Mallendi fed us after Iboga.</p>
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		<title>By: xavier watson</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-180108</link>
		<dc:creator>xavier watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Any plant that can lift the human soul to such heights is well-deserving of such worship. The addict approaches these plants with far less respect than is their due. That is blasphemy. They abuse the sacred for nothing more than their persoanl amusement. That is sacrilege.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The ritualistic worship of intoxication by the "mad" followers of Dionysus might appear blasphemous + sacrilegious indeed. 

Just don't show up at one of their gathering to tell them that, you know? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Any plant that can lift the human soul to such heights is well-deserving of such worship. The addict approaches these plants with far less respect than is their due. That is blasphemy. They abuse the sacred for nothing more than their persoanl amusement. That is sacrilege.</p></blockquote>
<p>The ritualistic worship of intoxication by the &#8220;mad&#8221; followers of Dionysus might appear blasphemous + sacrilegious indeed. </p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t show up at one of their gathering to tell them that, you know? <img src='http://anthropik.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-49124</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read Schultes and Wilbert, plent of entheogens are used but in a ritual context and for recreation by many indigenous groups. Yopo is a supreme example where youths take it for fun back and forth. Likewise, many of the snuffs in South America are used as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read Schultes and Wilbert, plent of entheogens are used but in a ritual context and for recreation by many indigenous groups. Yopo is a supreme example where youths take it for fun back and forth. Likewise, many of the snuffs in South America are used as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2216</guid>
		<description>"&lt;a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/MESCSHAM.HTM" rel="nofollow"&gt; Shamanism and Peyote Use Among the Apaches of the Mescalero Indian Reservation&lt;/a&gt;" -- Very interesting article on changing peyote use among the Apache as they were domesticated and settled on reservations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/MESCSHAM.HTM" rel="nofollow"> Shamanism and Peyote Use Among the Apaches of the Mescalero Indian Reservation</a>&#8221; &#8212; Very interesting article on changing peyote use among the Apache as they were domesticated and settled on reservations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2203</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with neo-shamans and entheogens is that they just don't seem to fundamentally get the relationship between all life.

If you're an animist, you accept that all life has the possibility of consciousness.  What the neo-shamans have never seemed to sort out is what that implies.  If you are using the plant for your own agenda who says the plant can't also use you as well?

True shamans use a number a different allies to achieve the goal and also respect them enough to pay back any favors. To use one entheogen over and over again risks contaminating you with needs that may put you at odds with your tribe.

Let's take a look, for example, at the most abused entheogen of history - wheat. Wheat contains enough exorphins in it to create a distinct psychological change.  Certainly enough to mark it as at least in part a medicine plant.

So, given this long term relationship with grass, how do we find our civilization affected by it?  Hm.  Grass is a plant that works ideally in areas that have been devastated by disaster.  It's also a quick grower (it has to grow quick to survive).

We who worship grass have instituted a campaign of destruction that is masterful in its execution and (as pointed out in Thesis 12), we've got to keep growing or that's it.

Metaphor, poetic justice, or the agenda of spirits?  Or all of the above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with neo-shamans and entheogens is that they just don&#8217;t seem to fundamentally get the relationship between all life.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re an animist, you accept that all life has the possibility of consciousness.  What the neo-shamans have never seemed to sort out is what that implies.  If you are using the plant for your own agenda who says the plant can&#8217;t also use you as well?</p>
<p>True shamans use a number a different allies to achieve the goal and also respect them enough to pay back any favors. To use one entheogen over and over again risks contaminating you with needs that may put you at odds with your tribe.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a look, for example, at the most abused entheogen of history - wheat. Wheat contains enough exorphins in it to create a distinct psychological change.  Certainly enough to mark it as at least in part a medicine plant.</p>
<p>So, given this long term relationship with grass, how do we find our civilization affected by it?  Hm.  Grass is a plant that works ideally in areas that have been devastated by disaster.  It&#8217;s also a quick grower (it has to grow quick to survive).</p>
<p>We who worship grass have instituted a campaign of destruction that is masterful in its execution and (as pointed out in Thesis 12), we&#8217;ve got to keep growing or that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Metaphor, poetic justice, or the agenda of spirits?  Or all of the above?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2201</guid>
		<description>A quick cultural note on entheogens from Southern California.

The 'drug of choice' over here is datura.  High fever, chance of coma or death if you don't dose right. Interesting hallucinations apparently. Very difficult experience.

The Tongva required that each member of the tribe take it once, at puberty.  The Tongva also had a special class of people that could take it again.  This was their "shamans" and consisted of medicine workers, expert basket weavers, storytellers, dancers, bisexuals &#38; homosexuals, and (finally) a group of folks who spent much of their time in direct communication with the spirits. Although all of them were considered holy and were chosen by the spirits, the last group was the only ones who took the drug on a semi regular basis and this was considered to be an extremely hard life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick cultural note on entheogens from Southern California.</p>
<p>The &#8216;drug of choice&#8217; over here is datura.  High fever, chance of coma or death if you don&#8217;t dose right. Interesting hallucinations apparently. Very difficult experience.</p>
<p>The Tongva required that each member of the tribe take it once, at puberty.  The Tongva also had a special class of people that could take it again.  This was their &#8220;shamans&#8221; and consisted of medicine workers, expert basket weavers, storytellers, dancers, bisexuals &amp; homosexuals, and (finally) a group of folks who spent much of their time in direct communication with the spirits. Although all of them were considered holy and were chosen by the spirits, the last group was the only ones who took the drug on a semi regular basis and this was considered to be an extremely hard life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonyz</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2058</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2058</guid>
		<description>Because I could say a million things here, let me just say what I think is important.

At about hour two of any psychedelic experience the way your brains neurons fire begin to change. This is a point where you are coming off the peak experience and the most vivid of your visions.

this is the time when you begin to put into words and feelings wat you were experiencing; this is when your form your memories of the experience.

To your typical day-tripper, this period of evaluation is often done to the dancing of music or scrawling around the floor of their tent. You can find plenty of grown humans in the fetal position of raves...

When you take an entheogenic substance at a party, you are reinforcing that experience. By taking psychedelics and writing them off as a fun; getting off; or even a horribel experience, you are profaning the experience itself.

I think believing the lie that enthoegens are hallucinogenic, and therefore harmless, is a serious problem.

However, due to the illegality of the drug, your typical human who would be interested in this connection to the universe really can't access the information as to what these susbstances really are.

Unless you are a 33rd level Mason (I believe entheogenic expereiences occur as low as the 24th level, but I'm not totally sure...)

There are many sub cultures that still use plants with entheogenic properties.

I can only assume the writers above who so quickly dismiss the work of Timothy Leary actually buys into the propaganda that has been slopped in his direction. If you can't get past the name, a more radical, and even more intense philosophy is shared by Terrence McKenna, P.D. Ouspensky, G.I. Gurdjieff, as well as other Fourth Wayers....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I could say a million things here, let me just say what I think is important.</p>
<p>At about hour two of any psychedelic experience the way your brains neurons fire begin to change. This is a point where you are coming off the peak experience and the most vivid of your visions.</p>
<p>this is the time when you begin to put into words and feelings wat you were experiencing; this is when your form your memories of the experience.</p>
<p>To your typical day-tripper, this period of evaluation is often done to the dancing of music or scrawling around the floor of their tent. You can find plenty of grown humans in the fetal position of raves&#8230;</p>
<p>When you take an entheogenic substance at a party, you are reinforcing that experience. By taking psychedelics and writing them off as a fun; getting off; or even a horribel experience, you are profaning the experience itself.</p>
<p>I think believing the lie that enthoegens are hallucinogenic, and therefore harmless, is a serious problem.</p>
<p>However, due to the illegality of the drug, your typical human who would be interested in this connection to the universe really can&#8217;t access the information as to what these susbstances really are.</p>
<p>Unless you are a 33rd level Mason (I believe entheogenic expereiences occur as low as the 24th level, but I&#8217;m not totally sure&#8230;)</p>
<p>There are many sub cultures that still use plants with entheogenic properties.</p>
<p>I can only assume the writers above who so quickly dismiss the work of Timothy Leary actually buys into the propaganda that has been slopped in his direction. If you can&#8217;t get past the name, a more radical, and even more intense philosophy is shared by Terrence McKenna, P.D. Ouspensky, G.I. Gurdjieff, as well as other Fourth Wayers&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True--but it also carries with it the danger of reading too much into it.  Is it really a universal frame, or is the framing peculiar to your own perspective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True&#8211;but it also carries with it the danger of reading too much into it.  Is it really a universal frame, or is the framing peculiar to your own perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: Janene</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>Janene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey --

You also haven't gotten almost fanatical about 'framing' as I have.  I can't read ANYTHING without breaking down the hidden(or not so) connotations behind the words.  Not just for myself, but for 'every' other potential reader as well.

Of all the obsessions I've had, this one doesn't bother me so much :-)

Janene</description>
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<p>You also haven&#8217;t gotten almost fanatical about &#8216;framing&#8217; as I have.  I can&#8217;t read ANYTHING without breaking down the hidden(or not so) connotations behind the words.  Not just for myself, but for &#8216;every&#8217; other potential reader as well.</p>
<p>Of all the obsessions I&#8217;ve had, this one doesn&#8217;t bother me so much <img src='http://anthropik.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Janene</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Godesky</title>
		<link>http://anthropik.com/2005/10/sacred-addicts/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Godesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty comfortable with sin ... but for me, "sin" doesn't carry so much a connotation of breaking man-made dogma, as it does a transgression against the nature of the world itself, an act that necessarily entails a pollution of one's own soul.

I also don't believe everything the Catholic Church calls a "sin" really is (in fact, almost none of it), so perhaps I just have a uniquely theological understanding of the term. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty comfortable with sin &#8230; but for me, &#8220;sin&#8221; doesn&#8217;t carry so much a connotation of breaking man-made dogma, as it does a transgression against the nature of the world itself, an act that necessarily entails a pollution of one&#8217;s own soul.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe everything the Catholic Church calls a &#8220;sin&#8221; really is (in fact, almost none of it), so perhaps I just have a uniquely theological understanding of the term. <img src='http://anthropik.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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