Comments on: Energy In Society http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:44:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Power & Energy (The Anthropik Network) http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-45537 Power & Energy (The Anthropik Network) Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:18:02 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-45537 [...] This brings us back to notions like White's Law. Benjamin Shender approached this directly, and with a full mathematical model, in "Energy in Society. Jeff Vail powerfully pointed to the connection between energy and power in "Energy, Society & Hierarchy," where he puts it quite succinctly: Control over economic activity translates directly into political power (politics being generally defined as the decision process of how to distribute finite resources within a context of infinite desires). Similarly, control of certain energy resources needed to engage in economic activity translates directly into control over economic activity, which translates into political power. [...] […] This brings us back to notions like White’s Law. Benjamin Shender approached this directly, and with a full mathematical model, in “Energy in Society. Jeff Vail powerfully pointed to the connection between energy and power in “Energy, Society & Hierarchy,” where he puts it quite succinctly: Control over economic activity translates directly into political power (politics being generally defined as the decision process of how to distribute finite resources within a context of infinite desires). Similarly, control of certain energy resources needed to engage in economic activity translates directly into control over economic activity, which translates into political power. […]

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]]> By: Janene http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5612 Janene Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:31:56 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5612 Hey -- <a href="http://www.asi.org/adb/02/09/he3-intro.html" rel="nofollow">Sounds feasible, </a> but <a href="http://alt-e.blogspot.com/2004/12/mining-moon-helium-3-to-solve-earths.html" rel="nofollow">a long time coming</a> Maybe we should make some notes for our gret-great-great-great grandchildren ;-) Janene Hey –

Sounds feasible, but a long time coming

Maybe we should make some notes for our gret-great-great-great grandchildren ;-)

Janene

]]> By: Clive http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5611 Clive Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:20:39 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5611 Energy from the moon. I don't know how realistic the timescales (and yields... or ERoEI) are but here it is anyway. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/30/114841.shtml Things like this make me think that there won't be much planet left by the time humanity gets to inherit it again. If humanity is still knocking about by that time, of course. Energy from the moon. I don’t know how realistic the timescales (and yields… or ERoEI) are but here it is anyway.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/30/114841.shtml

Things like this make me think that there won’t be much planet left by the time humanity gets to inherit it again. If humanity is still knocking about by that time, of course.

]]> By: planetwarming http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5586 planetwarming Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:27:29 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5586 The electricity went out where I was. I was like "Is this it?" It turned back on. It was not it. There's an ASPO chart that makes it show that it will be gradual for awhile. FTW freaks me out about 2007. The March Iranian Oil Bourse freaks me out even more, in which there is a potential for catastrophe whether or not the US intervenes- the flee from the dollar or a threat to the Strait of Hormez. The electricity went out where I was. I was like “Is this it?” It turned back on. It was not it. There’s an ASPO chart that makes it show that it will be gradual for awhile. FTW freaks me out about 2007. The March Iranian Oil Bourse freaks me out even more, in which there is a potential for catastrophe whether or not the US intervenes- the flee from the dollar or a threat to the Strait of Hormez.

]]> By: Benjamin Shender http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5529 Benjamin Shender Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:14:05 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5529 No problem. No problem.

]]> By: JCamasto http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5528 JCamasto Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:54:03 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5528 Thanks for literally spelling it out for me, Ben. I got it. Thanks for literally spelling it out for me, Ben. I got it.

]]> By: Rick Larson http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5523 Rick Larson Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:42:02 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5523 Aha! Am understanding. Aha! Am understanding.

]]> By: Benjamin Shender http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5520 Benjamin Shender Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:28:27 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5520 Also: how much energy is then available per person. A lot of our personal energy is now directed towards the maintance and expansion of civilization. Once this drain goes away, how much more energy will we each have available? Also: how much energy is then available per person. A lot of our personal energy is now directed towards the maintance and expansion of civilization. Once this drain goes away, how much more energy will we each have available?

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5519 Jason Godesky Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:25:45 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/energy-in-society/#comment-5519 <blockquote>Have been wondering if my internet relationships count anything towards my alloted 150.</blockquote> Some, but most of us you treat as stereotypes. :) ... That's not a jab at you, that's common internet psychology. <blockquote>Also, after world-wide collapse, how much extra energy (energy other than what is needed for horticulture/foraging) will be still available immediately after?</blockquote> It's a slide down, so there is no "immediately after." We're at peak now--it's downhill from here. The question is--how fast?

Have been wondering if my internet relationships count anything towards my alloted 150.

Some, but most of us you treat as stereotypes. :) … That’s not a jab at you, that’s common internet psychology.

Also, after world-wide collapse, how much extra energy (energy other than what is needed for horticulture/foraging) will be still available immediately after?

It’s a slide down, so there is no “immediately after.” We’re at peak now–it’s downhill from here. The question is–how fast?

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