Comments on: Exceptions that Prove the Rule, #2: The Kwakiutl http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:26:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-26801 Jason Godesky Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:59:22 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-26801 Thank you so much, Claude. Truly; hearing something like that makes all the efforts worthwhile. I'm honored I've been able to help. Primitivism is something humans fall into naturally (naturally enough!), but my greatest aspiration in all the effort I've poured into this site has been to help people do exactly what it sounds like you're already doing. So thank you; you've just validated far more time and effort than I'd really care to recall. Thank you so much, Claude. Truly; hearing something like that makes all the efforts worthwhile. I’m honored I’ve been able to help. Primitivism is something humans fall into naturally (naturally enough!), but my greatest aspiration in all the effort I’ve poured into this site has been to help people do exactly what it sounds like you’re already doing. So thank you; you’ve just validated far more time and effort than I’d really care to recall.

]]> By: claude http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-26789 claude Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:34:20 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-26789 These articles are so inspiring: I am the initiator of a family eco-village in Québec. Primitivism have been our way of life, not by goal but by deduction and taking away the less relevant roads. We were put putting along until you came. Articles like this one crystallises obscure thoughts on how to do things and gives the motivation, inspiration and direction to pursue this strange new path long forgotten by my elders. Just want to express my profound gratitude for the intelligence, inspiration and art in the subjects you cover. Also appreciate you constructively shaking the so well seated thinkers like Savinar, Jenson, and others. We are slowly getting off the money system so we’ll tan you a hide any time (make sure you include the brain with the skin)! You surely deserve it and much more! You are a precious light in these obscure times. claude These articles are so inspiring:
I am the initiator of a family eco-village in Québec. Primitivism have been our way of life, not by goal but by deduction and taking away the less relevant roads. We were put putting along until you came.
Articles like this one crystallises obscure thoughts on how to do things and gives the motivation, inspiration and direction to pursue this strange new path long forgotten by my elders.
Just want to express my profound gratitude for the intelligence, inspiration and art in the subjects you cover.
Also appreciate you constructively shaking the so well seated thinkers like Savinar, Jenson, and others.
We are slowly getting off the money system so we’ll tan you a hide any time (make sure you include the brain with the skin)! You surely deserve it and much more!
You are a precious light in these obscure times.

claude

]]> By: Odense http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-21986 Odense Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:35:22 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-21986 The Kwakiutl seem to be similar to another example, the Chumash of the Santa Barbara coast of California. They were a sedentary people living in large villages, getting their food from fishing. See http://www.angelfire.com/sk/syukhtun/syuk.html The Kwakiutl seem to be similar to another example, the Chumash of the Santa Barbara coast of California. They were a sedentary people living in large villages, getting their food from fishing.

See http://www.angelfire.com/sk/syukhtun/syuk.html

]]> By: Exceptions that Prove the Rule, #3: Paleolithic Royalty? » The Anthropik Network http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-7304 Exceptions that Prove the Rule, #3: Paleolithic Royalty? » The Anthropik Network Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:51:12 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-7304 [...] Lewis-Williams himself unwittingly offers us the reason why. Sungir was situated along the mammoth migratory routes. There was such a glut of mammoth meat once a year that these foragers could afford to remain stationary. They developed a complex society, including royalty. In other words, Sungir represents a prehistoric example identical to the Kwakiutl. As I wrote in that article: We have generally discussed complexity in terms of agricultural societies, but high levels of complexity can also occur in foraging societies, as the Kwakiutl show. This illustrates that complexity is less a function of subsistence strategy specifically than food supply in general--or, more accurately, energy flow. The regular, high EROEI salmon runs gave the Kwakiutl a much larger source of energy than most foragers have access to.... [...] […] Lewis-Williams himself unwittingly offers us the reason why. Sungir was situated along the mammoth migratory routes. There was such a glut of mammoth meat once a year that these foragers could afford to remain stationary. They developed a complex society, including royalty. In other words, Sungir represents a prehistoric example identical to the Kwakiutl. As I wrote in that article: We have generally discussed complexity in terms of agricultural societies, but high levels of complexity can also occur in foraging societies, as the Kwakiutl show. This illustrates that complexity is less a function of subsistence strategy specifically than food supply in general–or, more accurately, energy flow. The regular, high EROEI salmon runs gave the Kwakiutl a much larger source of energy than most foragers have access to…. […]

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-6089 Jason Godesky Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:38:41 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-6089 I'm sorry, Roslny, I didn't realize I was writing to do your homework for you. I guess all my paychecks for this were lost in the mail? I'll tell you what, I'll send you my salary requirements and some direct deposit info, and then I'll get right to work on your homework for you, OK? I’m sorry, Roslny, I didn’t realize I was writing to do your homework for you. I guess all my paychecks for this were lost in the mail? I’ll tell you what, I’ll send you my salary requirements and some direct deposit info, and then I’ll get right to work on your homework for you, OK?

]]> By: Elmo http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-6088 Elmo Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:28:49 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-6088 this site does not help me on fucking bit u need things like about food and hunting and clothing and themaps location and transpotaion all theses things would be help full for when people are projects on the first people and thats all i have to say but get more information about the kawkiutl people so people can finish there reports P.s this is roslny this site does not help me on fucking bit u need things like about food and hunting and clothing and themaps location and transpotaion all theses things would be help full for when people are projects on the first people and thats all i have to say but get more information about the kawkiutl people so people can finish there reports

P.s this is roslny

]]> By: Jay Denari http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5667 Jay Denari Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:37:54 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5667 As I understand it, the potlatch STARTED as redistribution when their society was stable, but eventually BECAME an excessive display of conspicuous consumption after exposure to European traders (initially Russian, I think). That was probably an effect of having both more goods flooding their society and a smaller population due to disease outbreaks. In effect, the Kwakiutl went temporarily insane (as did many Native tribes; some never recovered) when European society undercut their cultures. As I understand it, the potlatch STARTED as redistribution when their society was stable, but eventually BECAME an excessive display of conspicuous consumption after exposure to European traders (initially Russian, I think). That was probably an effect of having both more goods flooding their society and a smaller population due to disease outbreaks. In effect, the Kwakiutl went temporarily insane (as did many Native tribes; some never recovered) when European society undercut their cultures.

]]> By: planetwarming http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5585 planetwarming Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:56:41 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5585 Yes, that reminds me of the Black Robe movie. There was a tribe that had a fort and houses. There was a chief and they went out of their way to be violent. It was also interesting how that movie mentioned Champlain and how scalps I think were of other Indians had prices. And Champlain would manipulate the tribes by giving them things they needed. But they could never be sure about it because they expressed worry that Champlain could turn on them as well. But in that tribe, there was definitely probably that pursuit of progression since they were having more. Also, I heard as tribes in the West started to trade and when they did, this created primitive niches and specializations. For instance, there were also pirate tribes that were created from this. Yes, that reminds me of the Black Robe movie. There was a tribe that had a fort and houses. There was a chief and they went out of their way to be violent.

It was also interesting how that movie mentioned Champlain and how scalps I think were of other Indians had prices. And Champlain would manipulate the tribes by giving them things they needed. But they could never be sure about it because they expressed worry that Champlain could turn on them as well. But in that tribe, there was definitely probably that pursuit of progression since they were having more.

Also, I heard as tribes in the West started to trade and when they did, this created primitive niches and specializations. For instance, there were also pirate tribes that were created from this.

]]> By: Benjamin Shender http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5571 Benjamin Shender Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:25:19 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5571 More or less. Although there as been a resurgance of native beliefs. But the line was broken, after that crash the Navajo might (might, they are civilized now) become foragers again. They might even called themselves the Navajo. But they won't be the original Navajo. Once the chain in culture is broken, it's over. One of my anthro professor liked to say that "civilization is only one generation thick." It naturally applies to other cultures as well. The US policy towards the natives was attrocious. And only became tolerable by any stretch of the imagination after the damage was done. You might want to google satanism a bit. It's not quite what the seterotypical christian would have you belief. Keep in mind that there are satanists and there are luciferians. They are different religions and don't like each other. It is strongly recommended that you do not confuse them. More or less. Although there as been a resurgance of native beliefs. But the line was broken, after that crash the Navajo might (might, they are civilized now) become foragers again. They might even called themselves the Navajo. But they won’t be the original Navajo. Once the chain in culture is broken, it’s over. One of my anthro professor liked to say that “civilization is only one generation thick.” It naturally applies to other cultures as well. The US policy towards the natives was attrocious. And only became tolerable by any stretch of the imagination after the damage was done.

You might want to google satanism a bit. It’s not quite what the seterotypical christian would have you belief. Keep in mind that there are satanists and there are luciferians. They are different religions and don’t like each other. It is strongly recommended that you do not confuse them.

]]> By: limukala http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5570 limukala Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:26:17 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/01/exceptions-that-prove-the-rule-2-the-kwakiutl/#comment-5570 Weren't pretty much all native americans forced to convert to some form of christianity? I know they didn't give Chief Joseph and his Nez Perce a choice when they finally caught him. The policy has always been to crush the culture of the "savages" as thoroughly as possible, which also included banning indigenous languages (it wasn't until the 70's that the ban on speaking Hawaiian was finally lifted, by which time the language had almost completely died) You'd think the army would love satanists, since that is obviously the religion of its leadership. Weren’t pretty much all native americans forced to convert to some form of christianity? I know they didn’t give Chief Joseph and his Nez Perce a choice when they finally caught him.
The policy has always been to crush the culture of the “savages” as thoroughly as possible, which also included banning indigenous languages (it wasn’t until the 70’s that the ban on speaking Hawaiian was finally lifted, by which time the language had almost completely died)

You’d think the army would love satanists, since that is obviously the religion of its leadership.

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