Comments on: The Escape Plan http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:07:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Nagnagnag http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-79579 Nagnagnag Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:19:26 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-79579 word, fellow ape. It might also be a reason for the lack of interest in AP (from one or any gender group) i discuss above... word, fellow ape. It might also be a reason for the lack of interest in AP (from one or any gender group) i discuss above…

]]> By: venuspluto67 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-79092 venuspluto67 Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:23:22 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-79092 <blockquote>Admittedly, Anthropik has been kind of cut off from the majority of anarcho-primitivists because of our opposition to violence,</blockquote> I think another factor in Anthropik being "on the outside" might be that a movement such as anarcho-primitivism that rejects civilization wholesale, will certainly be a magnet for individuals who want to make being an anarcho-primitivist all about their, shall we say, <i>issues.</i> (Recall the infamous "Radder Than Thou" thread and Dr. Tiresome, et. al.)

Admittedly, Anthropik has been kind of cut off from the majority of anarcho-primitivists because of our opposition to violence,

I think another factor in Anthropik being “on the outside” might be that a movement such as anarcho-primitivism that rejects civilization wholesale, will certainly be a magnet for individuals who want to make being an anarcho-primitivist all about their, shall we say, issues. (Recall the infamous “Radder Than Thou” thread and Dr. Tiresome, et. al.)

]]> By: Nagnagnag http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-78241 Nagnagnag Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:49:47 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-78241 I don't know what the scene is over on your side of the atlantic, but yeah i'm (hopefully) mainly painting the devil on the wall. However, whereas anarcho-primitivism ought to have a lot to offer women (or anyone), i wasn't talking so much about the -ism as about the -ists, and about the cultural/social milieu. I guess one general reason for why a certain political group is fringe is that the people that are inclined to paradigm shifts mainly on the basis of abstract ideological promises represent the narrow end of the bell curve. I guess one general reason why these fringe groups are mostly male might be that the women inclined to paradigm shifts mainly on the basis of abstract ideological promises, AND inclined to cultivate this inclination even on the (possibly uncomfortable) terms of a male-dominated social group, represent an even narrower end of the corresponding bell curve. I think A-P might (?) actually be better than average among this kind of social milieus in giving women space & so on, at least in theory. Maybe it's victim of bad image, what with macho survivalism leering in "on the right" and macho activism "on the left". This influence might, however, also concretely shape the atmosphere, and even in the most soundly-minded AP crew the simple fact that it consists of a handful of males, all concerned about the lack of women in their nice rewilding crew, means that as a woman entering the group, you can count on there being quite a deal of male sexual energy (i.e. interest in getting you 'teamed up' and/or laid) in the air and in the social interaction, explicit or implicit. I mean, the prospect of having to deal with this as an underlying aspect in all communication, and in the communication with every single other member in the group, who all direct their sexual energy towards you, and then maybe 'out in the forest' with no other social interaction available, well it sure puts me off a bit. Maybe women are a bit more accustomed to dealing with this kind of stuff than i, but i can't believe it attracts a lot of folks. (sorry for my messy wordings, i'm not used to writing and i'm tired. it took me hours to formulate this!) Cheers to you all by the way, i like your site very much! I don’t know what the scene is over on your side of the atlantic, but yeah i’m (hopefully) mainly painting the devil on the wall. However, whereas anarcho-primitivism ought to have a lot to offer women (or anyone), i wasn’t talking so much about the -ism as about the -ists, and about the cultural/social milieu. I guess one general reason for why a certain political group is fringe is that the people that are inclined to paradigm shifts mainly on the basis of abstract ideological promises represent the narrow end of the bell curve. I guess one general reason why these fringe groups are mostly male might be that the women inclined to paradigm shifts mainly on the basis of abstract ideological promises, AND inclined to cultivate this inclination even on the (possibly uncomfortable) terms of a male-dominated social group, represent an even narrower end of the corresponding bell curve. I think A-P might (?) actually be better than average among this kind of social milieus in giving women space & so on, at least in theory. Maybe it’s victim of bad image, what with macho survivalism leering in “on the right” and macho activism “on the left”. This influence might, however, also concretely shape the atmosphere, and even in the most soundly-minded AP crew the simple fact that it consists of a handful of males, all concerned about the lack of women in their nice rewilding crew, means that as a woman entering the group, you can count on there being quite a deal of male sexual energy (i.e. interest in getting you ‘teamed up’ and/or laid) in the air and in the social interaction, explicit or implicit.
I mean, the prospect of having to deal with this as an underlying aspect in all communication, and in the communication with every single other member in the group, who all direct their sexual energy towards you, and then maybe ‘out in the forest’ with no other social interaction available, well it sure puts me off a bit. Maybe women are a bit more accustomed to dealing with this kind of stuff than i, but i can’t believe it attracts a lot of folks. (sorry for my messy wordings, i’m not used to writing and i’m tired. it took me hours to formulate this!) Cheers to you all by the way, i like your site very much!

]]> By: Giulianna Lamanna http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-73675 Giulianna Lamanna Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:00:23 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-73675 Speaking as a woman and an anarcho-primitivist, I have no clue why more women aren't involved. It seems like almost all fringe political groups (except, of course, for feminism when it first started out) are dominated not just by men, but specifically by white men. There's a lot that anarcho-primitivism has to offer women: the promise of tight-knit communities, closer family ties, more communication, direct democracy... and let's not forget midwifery and the whole "natural childbirth" movement that's been gaining steam as of late, which has definite ties to Deep Ecology and primitivist thought. I hesitate to portray the anarcho-primitivist movement as "not providing any space for [half of humanity] except as mattresses." Admittedly, Anthropik has been kind of cut off from the majority of anarcho-primitivists because of our opposition to violence, but from what I've seen it doesn't seem like women are disrespected and/or viewed as mere sex objects. Speaking as a woman and an anarcho-primitivist, I have no clue why more women aren’t involved. It seems like almost all fringe political groups (except, of course, for feminism when it first started out) are dominated not just by men, but specifically by white men.

There’s a lot that anarcho-primitivism has to offer women: the promise of tight-knit communities, closer family ties, more communication, direct democracy… and let’s not forget midwifery and the whole “natural childbirth” movement that’s been gaining steam as of late, which has definite ties to Deep Ecology and primitivist thought.

I hesitate to portray the anarcho-primitivist movement as “not providing any space for [half of humanity] except as mattresses.” Admittedly, Anthropik has been kind of cut off from the majority of anarcho-primitivists because of our opposition to violence, but from what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem like women are disrespected and/or viewed as mere sex objects.

]]> By: Nagnagnag http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-73646 Nagnagnag Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:28:50 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-73646 I think one possible reason not to overlook is that the primitivist milieu is/can be just the same f-ing kind of boys' club as most other groups and subgroups in patriarchal society. People migt not be so interested in joining in just for the sake of some sorry bloke "getting any". i'm not a woman, but i get concerned everytime i see someone with a good idea that risks failing for lack of interest because of the social environment not providing any space for [half of humanity] except as mattresses. Not that this is necessarily the situation with Anthropik (i really hope it isn't! Too much too good stuff around here!), and no offence to anyone. But seriously, i think this is a problem men would do good to analyse the causes, and what could/should be done about it, since, really the problem is theirs! (with 'them' i mean heterosexual men, i used it instead of 'ours' to avoid automatic assumptions about the gender/sex of the possible reader (or myself)) I think one possible reason not to overlook is that the primitivist milieu is/can be just the same f-ing kind of boys’ club as most other groups and subgroups in patriarchal society. People migt not be so interested in joining in just for the sake of some sorry bloke “getting any”. i’m not a woman, but i get concerned everytime i see someone with a good idea that risks failing for lack of interest because of the social environment not providing any space for [half of humanity] except as mattresses. Not that this is necessarily the situation with Anthropik (i really hope it isn’t! Too much too good stuff around here!), and no offence to anyone. But seriously, i think this is a problem men would do good to analyse the causes, and what could/should be done about it, since, really the problem is theirs! (with ‘them’ i mean heterosexual men, i used it instead of ‘ours’ to avoid automatic assumptions about the gender/sex of the possible reader (or myself))

]]> By: WildeRix http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-54743 WildeRix Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:17:48 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-54743 <strong>How does a Rix go feral?</strong> I still remember the first seeds of my rewilding.  They were sown in my childhood–little things that took root.  My mom told me one time, while I was blowing away dandelion fluff and making wishes, that dandelions were edible.  She had never e... How does a Rix go feral?

I still remember the first seeds of my rewilding.  They were sown in my childhood–little things that took root.  My mom told me one time, while I was blowing away dandelion fluff and making wishes, that dandelions were edible.  She had never e…

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14973 Jason Godesky Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:04:53 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14973 Yes, that is a serious concern. I don't think it's much of a long-term concern, though. Whatever combination of biological and cultural reasons lead fewer women to pursue math or science in the United States makes questions like ours—centered around questions of ecology, feedback cycles, EROEI, and all manner of other scientific and mathematical material—unattractive to women. But as things turn sour, our arguments will be less about abstract theory, and more about living examples. I don't expect to see much in the way of people wanting to join us until we're living out in the woods. Once we reach that point, though, I think there's plenty of women who would prefer an easier, safer, and more affluent way of life. Yes, that is a serious concern. I don’t think it’s much of a long-term concern, though. Whatever combination of biological and cultural reasons lead fewer women to pursue math or science in the United States makes questions like ours—centered around questions of ecology, feedback cycles, EROEI, and all manner of other scientific and mathematical material—unattractive to women. But as things turn sour, our arguments will be less about abstract theory, and more about living examples. I don’t expect to see much in the way of people wanting to join us until we’re living out in the woods. Once we reach that point, though, I think there’s plenty of women who would prefer an easier, safer, and more affluent way of life.

]]> By: Big Al http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14970 Big Al Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:41:49 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14970 I have a concern which is seldom discussed. It's hard to find people interested in joining a primitive living community. I've noticed that more men than women are interested in the idea. The groups I've read about usually have several single men but few single women. Unless your a eunuch that totally sucks for a single man! How long can a tribe function with that imbalance? I suspect the single men would get depressed and desperate after a while. Brent Ladd went back to civilization. He may have been embarrassed to discuss it but maybe one factor was that he had no way of getting any! I'm being serious. I have a concern which is seldom discussed. It’s hard to find people interested in joining a primitive living community. I’ve noticed that more men than women are interested in the idea. The groups I’ve read about usually have several single men but few single women. Unless your a eunuch that totally sucks for a single man! How long can a tribe function with that imbalance? I suspect the single men would get depressed and desperate after a while. Brent Ladd went back to civilization. He may have been embarrassed to discuss it but maybe one factor was that he had no way of getting any! I’m being serious.

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14626 Jason Godesky Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:36:01 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14626 <a href="http://anthropik.com/2006/05/the-tribe-of-anthropik/" rel="nofollow">Yes</a>. <blockquote>Steve has left the Tribe of Anthropik. He and I disagreed constantly: that was a great strength for us. Of the original four members, Steve was always the hardest to get a hold of, the one that spent the least time with the rest of us. He was the most peripheral member, and I think that's why so many of our best insights came from him. Over the past several months, though, he had become even more distant. He raised some very valid concerns, but he refused to talk to us about them. That he left without hearing us out is probably what hurt us most of all, but it's provided an opportunity to revisit some very important questions.</blockquote> Yes.

Steve has left the Tribe of Anthropik. He and I disagreed constantly: that was a great strength for us. Of the original four members, Steve was always the hardest to get a hold of, the one that spent the least time with the rest of us. He was the most peripheral member, and I think that’s why so many of our best insights came from him. Over the past several months, though, he had become even more distant. He raised some very valid concerns, but he refused to talk to us about them. That he left without hearing us out is probably what hurt us most of all, but it’s provided an opportunity to revisit some very important questions.

]]> By: Big Al http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14625 Big Al Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:33:17 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/06/the-escape-plan/#comment-14625 Did your tribe get smaller? What happened to the other guy? Why did he leave? Did your tribe get smaller? What happened to the other guy? Why did he leave?

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