Comments on: Fear the Wolf http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:59:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Canids of the Allegheny National Forest (The Anthropik Network) http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-29684 Canids of the Allegheny National Forest (The Anthropik Network) Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:23:28 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-29684 [...] Of course, such hunting is counter-productive. Biologist Bob Crabtree, who has studied the western coyote for twenty years, says "coyote-killing campaigns, which disrupt the structure of coyote society, may actually spur more predation." With rancher Dude Tyler, he helped form Predator Friendly, a certification program that allows ranchers who don't hunt coyotes to sell their wool for a significantly higher price. "Still, the bureaucracy which runs the sheep industry has been downright hostile toward the Predator Friendly idea and has even subtly threatened participating ranchers with boycotts." Others at Predator Friendly have recieved anonymous, threatening phone calls.9 The campaign to wipe out the coyote is not rational; it is an emotional need to hunt the beast within.10 "I hope you kill a lot of coyotes." The local game warden pronounces the word kai-oats, the way it's said in most of the West. "I don't care how you kill 'em. Blow 'em up with dynamite. Run 'em over. Punt 'em like footballs. Whatever." This elicits a good deal of laughter from the 100 or so people I've joined in the small hunting lodge at the Circle G Shooting Park, just south of Gillette, Wyoming.11 [...] […] Of course, such hunting is counter-productive. Biologist Bob Crabtree, who has studied the western coyote for twenty years, says “coyote-killing campaigns, which disrupt the structure of coyote society, may actually spur more predation.” With rancher Dude Tyler, he helped form Predator Friendly, a certification program that allows ranchers who don’t hunt coyotes to sell their wool for a significantly higher price. “Still, the bureaucracy which runs the sheep industry has been downright hostile toward the Predator Friendly idea and has even subtly threatened participating ranchers with boycotts.” Others at Predator Friendly have recieved anonymous, threatening phone calls.9 The campaign to wipe out the coyote is not rational; it is an emotional need to hunt the beast within.10 “I hope you kill a lot of coyotes.” The local game warden pronounces the word kai-oats, the way it’s said in most of the West. “I don’t care how you kill ‘em. Blow ‘em up with dynamite. Run ‘em over. Punt ‘em like footballs. Whatever.” This elicits a good deal of laughter from the 100 or so people I’ve joined in the small hunting lodge at the Circle G Shooting Park, just south of Gillette, Wyoming.11 […]

]]> By: Wolves & Dogs (The Anthropik Network) http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-29520 Wolves & Dogs (The Anthropik Network) Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:21:26 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-29520 [...] The answer may lie in the aforementioned closeness between humans and canines. Dogs, especially wild dogs such as wolves, present us with a link to our prehistoric past. Thus, the wolf is a symbol of humanity's shadow. Especially to the civilized man who has often struggled to break free of his animal nature, the wolf is a chaotic figure that represents the beast within.14 [...] […] The answer may lie in the aforementioned closeness between humans and canines. Dogs, especially wild dogs such as wolves, present us with a link to our prehistoric past. Thus, the wolf is a symbol of humanity’s shadow. Especially to the civilized man who has often struggled to break free of his animal nature, the wolf is a chaotic figure that represents the beast within.14 […]

]]> By: Ted Heistman http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28730 Ted Heistman Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:35:30 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28730 Well that makes sense. Well that makes sense.

]]> By: jhereg http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28619 jhereg Mon, 06 Nov 2006 16:42:11 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28619 [quote]What say you of people over romanticizing wolves?[/quote] Well, first off, I would say that any attempt to make wolves solely into cute little fluffballs is probably not going to be very successful at integrating the shadow into the persona, which would be the point. I'm not saying that wolves [b]can't[/b] be cute little fluffballs, but that's certainly not [b]all[/b] that they are. So, there's this sense that we've kind of forgotten how to relate to "other" as a whole entity, and instead continue to pursue reductionist agendas. This must be reversed. Now, about how this relates to shadow-selves: The integration of shadow-selves is pretty much going to require hard work. It's not a choice of 'either/or'; you need to find a way to make the relationship [b]work[/b]. Overly romanticizing the manifestation of your shadow doesn't accomplish this any better than ignoring it. [quote]What say you of people over romanticizing wolves?[/quote]

Well, first off, I would say that any attempt to make wolves solely into cute little fluffballs is probably not going to be very successful at integrating the shadow into the persona, which would be the point.

I’m not saying that wolves [b]can’t[/b] be cute little fluffballs, but that’s certainly not [b]all[/b] that they are. So, there’s this sense that we’ve kind of forgotten how to relate to “other” as a whole entity, and instead continue to pursue reductionist agendas. This must be reversed.

Now, about how this relates to shadow-selves:

The integration of shadow-selves is pretty much going to require hard work. It’s not a choice of ‘either/or’; you need to find a way to make the relationship [b]work[/b]. Overly romanticizing the manifestation of your shadow doesn’t accomplish this any better than ignoring it.

]]> By: Ted Heistman http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28173 Ted Heistman Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:33:16 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28173 Jason, I'm looking forward to it. I have been playing around with that theme on my blog as well. Jason,

I’m looking forward to it. I have been playing around with that theme on my blog as well.

]]> By: Ted Heistman http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28172 Ted Heistman Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:30:40 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28172 BTW, I think the incredible hulk is based on the archetype of the berseker that is still in our cultural memory, or collective unconcious. You know how David banner would come down from the rage and be really tired? That is the same thing that happened to the berserkers. BTW, I think the incredible hulk is based on the archetype of the berseker that is still in our cultural memory, or collective unconcious.
You know how David banner would come down from the rage and be really tired? That is the same thing that happened to the berserkers.

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28171 Jason Godesky Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:28:12 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28171 <blockquote>I think wolves are to dogs as domestic civilized people are to wild people.</blockquote> I have a draft I'm working on that picks up that theme, I just haven't had a chance to finish it yet.

I think wolves are to dogs as domestic civilized people are to wild people.

I have a draft I’m working on that picks up that theme, I just haven’t had a chance to finish it yet.

]]> By: Ted Heistman http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28170 Ted Heistman Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:27:09 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28170 Edit: That should read I have talked to "a" few alaskan trappers that trap and shoot wolves and still admire them. Actually all the trappers I talked top admire wolves. I have just only talked to a few trappers. Edit:

That should read I have talked to “a”
few alaskan trappers that trap and shoot wolves and still admire them.

Actually all the trappers I talked top admire wolves. I have just only talked to a few trappers.

]]> By: Ted Heistman http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28169 Ted Heistman Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:24:45 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28169 Well this is interesting. What say you of people over romanticizing wolves? Have we come full circle? Very few people in our society have family farms in areas where there is wolf predation. But these people often view wolves in the more traditional eurocentric light. All the people in my circles are really "disneyfied" or "animal planetized" and think wolves are harmless furballs, that wisely only prey on the old and the sick to take care of the herd. Wolves have kind of a new age cult following. I've talked to few alaskan trappers that trap and shoot wolves while still admiring them. They have some interesting observations that don't always jibe with the views espoused on animal planet. I think wolves are to dogs as domestic civilized people are to wild people. I am thinking maybe my shadow is a bit savage, but I still want to get in touch with it anyway. Wolves don't often eat people because they are smart. But they are savage. They aren't dogs. They way they kill isn't pretty, often they eat their prey while its still alive. Unlike big cats that kill by strangulation. I have a skull of a young wolf that a trapper gave me, it was killed by its own kind when it was caught in a trap. Well this is interesting. What say you of people over romanticizing wolves? Have we come full circle?

Very few people in our society have family farms in areas where there is wolf predation. But these people often view wolves in the more traditional eurocentric light.

All the people in my circles are really “disneyfied” or “animal planetized” and think wolves are harmless furballs, that wisely only prey on the old and the sick to take care of the herd. Wolves have kind of a new age cult following.

I’ve talked to few alaskan trappers that trap and shoot wolves while still admiring them. They have some interesting observations that don’t always jibe with the views espoused on animal planet.

I think wolves are to dogs as domestic civilized people are to wild people.

I am thinking maybe my shadow is a bit savage, but I still want to get in touch with it anyway.

Wolves don’t often eat people because they are smart. But they are savage. They aren’t dogs. They way they kill isn’t pretty, often they eat their prey while its still alive. Unlike big cats that kill by strangulation.

I have a skull of a young wolf that a trapper gave me, it was killed by its own kind when it was caught in a trap.

]]> By: jhereg http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28067 jhereg Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:37:24 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/fear-the-wolf/#comment-28067 Hmm, this is interesting: [quote]It would be easy to assume that outlaws were called warg simply because their offences were of an especially savage kind, and that they were likened to wolves, wild, bestial, and uncivilised, as a result. Anglo-Norman law, for example, stated that the outlaw would 'be held to be a wolf and . . . be proclaimed 'wolf's-head'' [7]. Interestingly, the Frankish Lex Salica uses the phrase wargus sit ('he shall be a warg') of a despoiler of buried corpses [8]. But warg is not a straightforward word. It is derived from an Indo-European *wergh-, 'strangle', via Germanic *wargaz. It is suggested that the use of warg and its variants in Germanic legal codes, as a condemnation, 'originally was a magico-legal pronouncement which transformed the criminal into a werwolf worthy of strangulation' [9]. The Indo-European antiquity of this notion is demonstrated in Hittite texts which include the phrase zi-ik-wa UR.BAR.RA ki-sa-at, 'thou art become a wolf'; and the name LU.MES hurkilas, denoting demon-like entities who are set to capture a wolf and strangle a serpent - hurkilas being derived from the same root as warg [10]. The warg, in this analysis, is a strangler, but one who himself requires strangulation.[/quote] [url]http://www.primitivism.com/hellhounds.htm[/url] Hmm, this is interesting:
[quote]It would be easy to assume that outlaws were called warg simply because their offences were of an especially savage kind, and that they were likened to wolves, wild, bestial, and uncivilised, as a result. Anglo-Norman law, for example, stated that the outlaw would ‘be held to be a wolf and . . . be proclaimed ‘wolf’s-head” [7]. Interestingly, the Frankish Lex Salica uses the phrase wargus sit (’he shall be a warg’) of a despoiler of buried corpses [8]. But warg is not a straightforward word. It is derived from an Indo-European *wergh-, ’strangle’, via Germanic *wargaz. It is suggested that the use of warg and its variants in Germanic legal codes, as a condemnation, ‘originally was a magico-legal pronouncement which transformed the criminal into a werwolf worthy of strangulation’ [9]. The Indo-European antiquity of this notion is demonstrated in Hittite texts which include the phrase zi-ik-wa UR.BAR.RA ki-sa-at, ‘thou art become a wolf’; and the name LU.MES hurkilas, denoting demon-like entities who are set to capture a wolf and strangle a serpent - hurkilas being derived from the same root as warg [10]. The warg, in this analysis, is a strangler, but one who himself requires strangulation.[/quote]

[url]http://www.primitivism.com/hellhounds.htm[/url]

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