Comments on: Taking Public Health Beyond Civilization http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:40:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: _Gi http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-28747 _Gi Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:35:26 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-28747 Charles, Here is a link for you: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=HIV+Virus Charles,

Here is a link for you:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=HIV+Virus

]]> By: Charles http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27879 Charles Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:36:03 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27879 from what I understand, tests for HIV vary from country to country, continent to continent... and there is a basket of symptoms used to determine that someone "has" HIV, but the virus has not been found. Many of the symptoms are shared with preventable diseases (e.g. malaria). I have come to believe that HIV is a heavily manipulated concept, one that is used to avoid addressing e.g. sanitation in poor countries and channel $$ from "charities" to vested interests. So while I believe there are incredibly negative consequences associated with ecological pressure and that there are no doubt diseases that cross the "species" barrier, I'd be wary of using HIV as an example... it's likely it's more spectacle than substance. ref various articles in The Ecologist / Orion & etc. from what I understand, tests for HIV vary from country to country, continent to continent… and there is a basket of symptoms used to determine that someone “has” HIV, but the virus has not been found. Many of the symptoms are shared with preventable diseases (e.g. malaria). I have come to believe that HIV is a heavily manipulated concept, one that is used to avoid addressing e.g. sanitation in poor countries and channel $$ from “charities” to vested interests. So while I believe there are incredibly negative consequences associated with ecological pressure and that there are no doubt diseases that cross the “species” barrier, I’d be wary of using HIV as an example… it’s likely it’s more spectacle than substance. ref various articles in The Ecologist / Orion & etc.

]]> By: Mario A. Grajales http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27820 Mario A. Grajales Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:57:24 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27820 In other countries like mine... we have practically never known what is a medical insurance... Everything goes different; In the big cities is pretty unhealthy and sad scenario, but in small towns is increidible how health is much better... In other countries like mine… we have practically never known what is a medical insurance… Everything goes different; In the big cities is pretty unhealthy and sad scenario, but in small towns is increidible how health is much better…

]]> By: Rory http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27740 Rory Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:00:52 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27740 Sorry, I forgot another EMT training option. The local ambulance service provides EMT training, but you have to sign a 2 year work contract to pay it off. You may be able to find something similar in your area. It is a decent option, but I can't get into 2 year work contracts, so it is not an option for me. Sorry, I forgot another EMT training option.

The local ambulance service provides EMT training, but you have to sign a 2 year work contract to pay it off. You may be able to find something similar in your area. It is a decent option, but I can’t get into 2 year work contracts, so it is not an option for me.

]]> By: Rory http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27646 Rory Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:13:16 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27646 Generally, there are schools. Depending on your area, you may be able to find it at the vo-tech schools or the local university. I am going to vo-tech in jan of 2009. program is 8 months, and then i'll be certified. After reading about it and studying for years, i've decided i may as well get it. My fiancee wants me to become a fireman, for the "sexy" outfit, but i digress..... pretty much any military manual is decent. Look for the SAS (UK Special Forces) manual, US Army First Aid, etc.etc. you could probably go to the local surplus store and get a basket full of various. Grey's Anatomy is a must have. A very good book to keep around is "Where there is No Doctor: A village health care handbook" fantastic book. Deals with everyday sorts of maladies and woundings, baby delivery, basic surgery, drug dosages, and plenty of good stuff on disease preventiion. http://www.amazon.com/Where-There-No-Doctor-Handbook/dp/0942364155/sr=1-1/qid=1162162945/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9240489-2014469?ie=UTF8&s=books www.alpharubicon.com has some solid information too. To begin with read about it. buy books on first aid, midwifery, basic dentistry (often overlooked), and herbs. I cannot stress studying enough. These sorts of skills are perishable, and one must use it or lose it. Generally, there are schools. Depending on your area, you may be able to find it at the vo-tech schools or the local university. I am going to vo-tech in jan of 2009. program is 8 months, and then i’ll be certified. After reading about it and studying for years, i’ve decided i may as well get it. My fiancee wants me to become a fireman, for the “sexy” outfit, but i digress…..

pretty much any military manual is decent. Look for the SAS (UK Special Forces) manual, US Army First Aid, etc.etc. you could probably go to the local surplus store and get a basket full of various. Grey’s Anatomy is a must have.

A very good book to keep around is “Where there is No Doctor: A village health care handbook” fantastic book. Deals with everyday sorts of maladies and woundings, baby delivery, basic surgery, drug dosages, and plenty of good stuff on disease preventiion.

http://www.amazon.com/Where-There-No-Doctor-Handbook/dp/0942364155/sr=1-1/qid=1162162945/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9240489-2014469?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.alpharubicon.com has some solid information too.

To begin with read about it. buy books on first aid, midwifery, basic dentistry (often overlooked), and herbs.

I cannot stress studying enough. These sorts of skills are perishable, and one must use it or lose it.

]]> By: scott http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27622 scott Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:44:47 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27622 thanks for all the nice information. i feel a little more comfortable now. Rory, what does one need to do in order to become a EMT/Paramedic? Go to a school? I will have to look at the army surplus for some EMT manuals. thanks for all the nice information. i feel a little more comfortable now.

Rory, what does one need to do in order to become a EMT/Paramedic? Go to a school? I will have to look at the army surplus for some EMT manuals.

]]> By: JCamasto http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27473 JCamasto Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:59:37 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27473 Rory: I was thinking the same thing, a few years ago - and soon you're gonna have at least two keys skillz on my "list" under your black belt... http://ishcon.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=23332#23332 Rory: I was thinking the same thing, a few years ago - and soon you’re gonna have at least two keys skillz on my “list” under your black belt…

http://ishcon.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=23332#23332

]]> By: jhereg http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27467 jhereg Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:57:35 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27467 [quote]this is waht keeps people working terrible jobs they hate--health insurance...[/quote] That's part of it.... But I just can't bring myself to believe that that's the sum total of the issue. I think that the factors that go into people working at jobs they hate are very complex, and that understanding those factors is a large part of what we need to do in order to rewild ourselves. I think it's going to be a very large task. [quote]this is waht keeps people working terrible jobs they hate–health insurance…[/quote]

That’s part of it….

But I just can’t bring myself to believe that that’s the sum total of the issue. I think that the factors that go into people working at jobs they hate are very complex, and that understanding those factors is a large part of what we need to do in order to rewild ourselves.

I think it’s going to be a very large task.

]]> By: venuspluto67 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27445 venuspluto67 Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:12:54 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27445 <blockquote>this is waht keeps people working terrible jobs they hate--health insurance...</blockquote> And even that's less and less the case thanks to the Wal-Martization of the economy.

this is waht keeps people working terrible jobs they hate–health insurance…

And even that’s less and less the case thanks to the Wal-Martization of the economy.

]]> By: Rory http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27434 Rory Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:45:42 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2006/10/taking-public-health-beyond-civilization/#comment-27434 Jason and Greer raise some very important points regarding health. This does howecer bring about the question of ability. Scott mentioned starting a herbalist program in January, which is an excellent idea. Another thing I suggest, and I personally am doing, is becoming a certified paramedic. Not only are these skills useful in an everyday setting, but post-collapse, doctors and EMTs are going to be worth more than just about every other skill set combined, excluding of course foraging. Learn basic medical care practices, how to give sutures, treat shock, set bones, etc. Even if one doesn't want to go the paramedic route, the US and UK's Army's first aid manuals are pretty good. Vicky, thanks for the link. i wasn't aware of that, and me and some lawyer buddies have since started our harrassment campaign to try and stop it. Jason and Greer raise some very important points regarding health. This does howecer bring about the question of ability.

Scott mentioned starting a herbalist program in January, which is an excellent idea. Another thing I suggest, and I personally am doing, is becoming a certified paramedic. Not only are these skills useful in an everyday setting, but post-collapse, doctors and EMTs are going to be worth more than just about every other skill set combined, excluding of course foraging.

Learn basic medical care practices, how to give sutures, treat shock, set bones, etc. Even if one doesn’t want to go the paramedic route, the US and UK’s Army’s first aid manuals are pretty good.

Vicky, thanks for the link. i wasn’t aware of that, and me and some lawyer buddies have since started our harrassment campaign to try and stop it.

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