Comments on: The Collapse of the Soviet Union http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/ se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:47:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: McCain Wants To Restart the Cold War - Page 6 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source! http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-180147 McCain Wants To Restart the Cold War - Page 6 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source! Mon, 05 May 2008 13:14:05 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-180147 [...] fallen empire in title, mode and outlook, but it is not a past he is able to restore, only mimic. The Anthropik Network The Collapse of the Soviet Union A Tsar Is Born - Person of the Year 2007 - TIME Putin's Career Rooted in Russia's KGB [...] […] fallen empire in title, mode and outlook, but it is not a past he is able to restore, only mimic. The Anthropik Network The Collapse of the Soviet Union A Tsar Is Born - Person of the Year 2007 - TIME Putin’s Career Rooted in Russia’s KGB […]

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-131279 Jason Godesky Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:26:52 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-131279 Well, no one can say I blame America first. :) But yes, there's plenty of bluster and militarism on America's part to fault. Even so, Russia hasn't exactly been meek, either. Well, no one can say I blame America first. :) But yes, there’s plenty of bluster and militarism on America’s part to fault. Even so, Russia hasn’t exactly been meek, either.

]]> By: Hasha http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-131220 Hasha Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:00:42 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-131220 [quote]*Russian* aggression has led to fears of the Cold War renewed?[/quote] Anon, yeah, that was my first thought when I started reading this article. ;-) But hey, I didn't feel like getting myself into a debate over this... [quote]*Russian* aggression has led to fears of the Cold War renewed?[/quote]

Anon, yeah, that was my first thought when I started reading this article. ;-) But hey, I didn’t feel like getting myself into a debate over this…

]]> By: Anonymous http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-131212 Anonymous Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:44:56 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-131212 *Russian* aggression has led to fears of the Cold War renewed? Come on, Jason, you can do better than this. In so far as their is any renewal of the Cold War, it is the fault of the West. See, e.g. Jerome a Paris at eurotrib. (Why should you argue with a lightweight like me? :) ) *Russian* aggression has led to fears of the Cold War renewed?

Come on, Jason, you can do better than this. In so far as their is any renewal of the Cold War, it is the fault of the West. See, e.g. Jerome a Paris at eurotrib. (Why should you argue with a lightweight like me? :) )

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128181 Jason Godesky Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:00:54 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128181 If you're looking at organization, that's very much the point: when the Soviet Union had the energy to do so, it crushed dissent before it was able to rise to that level. Even so, you had Trotskyists plaguing Stalin; Samizdat came after Stalin; then the <a href="http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1973/nov-dec/gauer.html">dissident movements</a>. Dissidents remained much stronger throughout the history of the USSR than Soviet propaganda would allow to get out. Solidarity was hardly the first group to arise in a Communist country that wanted to change how things were run--it was simply the first to succeed, and that says as much about the Soviet Union's weakness (why was Solidarity not crushed in its early stages like other groups before it?) as Solidarity's strength. If you’re looking at organization, that’s very much the point: when the Soviet Union had the energy to do so, it crushed dissent before it was able to rise to that level. Even so, you had Trotskyists plaguing Stalin; Samizdat came after Stalin; then the dissident movements. Dissidents remained much stronger throughout the history of the USSR than Soviet propaganda would allow to get out. Solidarity was hardly the first group to arise in a Communist country that wanted to change how things were run–it was simply the first to succeed, and that says as much about the Soviet Union’s weakness (why was Solidarity not crushed in its early stages like other groups before it?) as Solidarity’s strength.

]]> By: _Gi http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128166 _Gi Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:48:40 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128166 No, the scale was much different. Solidarity had no analogues inside the Soviet Union itself. There was not a dissident labor movement inside Soviet Union, if you don't count the 15 million of alcoholics and all the people who didn't care about their jobs. There was not a political organization like Solidarity inside Soviet Union, that is the whole point. No, the scale was much different.
Solidarity had no analogues inside the Soviet Union itself.
There was not a dissident labor movement inside Soviet Union, if you don’t count the 15 million of alcoholics and all the people who didn’t care about their jobs.
There was not a political organization like Solidarity inside Soviet Union, that is the whole point.

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128154 Jason Godesky Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:32:15 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128154 Other groups <em>like</em> Solidarity. Solidarity was not the first resistance the Soviet Union encountered. There were dissident groups inside the Soviet Union throughout its history. That might've been a little more clear, though. Other groups like Solidarity. Solidarity was not the first resistance the Soviet Union encountered. There were dissident groups inside the Soviet Union throughout its history. That might’ve been a little more clear, though.

]]> By: _Gi http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128149 _Gi Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:22:02 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128149 No, this is the passage where the shorthand was improperly used: " Other groups like Solidarity had existed in the Soviet Union before; why had they not succeeded? The strength of groups like Solidarity remained more or less constant throughout the history of the Soviet Union; what was it that weakened the Soviet Union so that such groups could prevail?" No, this is the passage where the shorthand was improperly used:

” Other groups like Solidarity had existed in the Soviet Union before; why had they not succeeded? The strength of groups like Solidarity remained more or less constant throughout the history of the Soviet Union; what was it that weakened the Soviet Union so that such groups could prevail?”

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128145 Jason Godesky Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:12:59 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128145 That's correct, but where did I say otherwise? Poland <em>was</em> a Soviet satellite, but it was not part of the Soviet Union. Is the "shorthand" in question, "Without the Pope, no Solidarity. Without Solidarity, no Gorbachev. Without Gorbachev, no fall of Communism"? Because that's not mine, that's Timothy Garton Ash's. That’s correct, but where did I say otherwise? Poland was a Soviet satellite, but it was not part of the Soviet Union. Is the “shorthand” in question, “Without the Pope, no Solidarity. Without Solidarity, no Gorbachev. Without Gorbachev, no fall of Communism”? Because that’s not mine, that’s Timothy Garton Ash’s.

]]> By: _Gi http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128142 _Gi Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:07:26 +0000 http://anthropik.com/2007/06/the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/#comment-128142 I don't like your shorthand. Poland was never in a Soviet Union, and there were not groups comparable to Solidarity in Soviet Union. I don’t like your shorthand.
Poland was never in a Soviet Union, and there were not groups comparable to Solidarity in Soviet Union.

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