Comments on: The Thirty Theses http://anthropik.com se wo were fi na wosan kofa a yenki Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:47:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Evaine http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-180269 Evaine Wed, 21 May 2008 14:29:45 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-180269 Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand. "The case is complex, but in truth no more complex than our “common ground” of unexamined, recieved wisdom. In many cases, it is much less complex. But it is different. Since forming these ideas, I have faced an increasing obstacle in communication. Unspoken, differing assumptions force me routinely to return to the same arguments again and again. So I resolved some time ago to crystalize my philosophy into a single, comprehensive work, which could from a base for further communication." I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks. Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.

“The case is complex, but in truth no more complex than our “common ground” of unexamined, recieved wisdom. In many cases, it is much less complex. But it is different. Since forming these ideas, I have faced an increasing obstacle in communication. Unspoken, differing assumptions force me routinely to return to the same arguments again and again. So I resolved some time ago to crystalize my philosophy into a single, comprehensive work, which could from a base for further communication.”

I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.

]]> By: My Mission « WildeRix http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-180263 My Mission « WildeRix Tue, 20 May 2008 17:35:28 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-180263 [...] I’m not just doing this for my son. When the Crash happens, whether it’s as fast as Anthropik predicts or as slow as Ran Prieur depicts, I want to be ready. And I want my son to be ready too. And if you [...] […] I’m not just doing this for my son. When the Crash happens, whether it’s as fast as Anthropik predicts or as slow as Ran Prieur depicts, I want to be ready. And I want my son to be ready too. And if you […]

]]> By: jacques de beaufort http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-180143 jacques de beaufort Mon, 05 May 2008 01:20:04 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-180143 brilliant glad I stumbled across this brilliant

glad I stumbled across this

]]> By: The Return to Old Ways « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-178401 The Return to Old Ways « It’s Getting Hot In Here Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:15:53 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-178401 [...] Anthropik’s Thirty Theses on Human Life and Civilization: thoughts on the values of the biosphere and the civilization’s inherent conflicts with these values [...] […] Anthropik’s Thirty Theses on Human Life and Civilization: thoughts on the values of the biosphere and the civilization’s inherent conflicts with these values […]

]]> By: FIMBULVINTER - anarko-primitivism på svenska :: SvD:s ledarsida och svarsmail :: November :: 2007 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-176079 FIMBULVINTER - anarko-primitivism på svenska :: SvD:s ledarsida och svarsmail :: November :: 2007 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:16:58 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-176079 [...] Av samma författare finns en samling essäer med argument för civilisationens ohållbarhet och fördelarna med att leva som naturfolk: http://anthropik.com/thirty [...] […] Av samma författare finns en samling essäer med argument för civilisationens ohållbarhet och fördelarna med att leva som naturfolk: http://anthropik.com/thirty […]

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-169688 Jason Godesky Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:48:06 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-169688 It's not secular humanism at all. It's deep ecology, it's ecopsychology, it's systems thinking, you could even call it animism, but it's not secular humanism. Secular humanism is all too often blatantly anti-environment, acting as if there's a trade-off to be made between human interests, and the foundation of all human interests. As for "the 60s ‘doom’ movement," to quote the documentary <em>What a Way to Go</em>, "Remember thirty years ago, when scientists told us, 'If we don't do something in 30 years, we're going to be in some serious trouble'? Well it's now, and we are, because we didn't." If <em>The Thirty Theses</em> seems reminiscent of claims you heard back in the '60s, it's because for people like me who weren't alive at the time, we now need to face the consequences of your inaction. You were the last group that had a chance to change things, but you didn't even try. That's why my generation now needs to come up with some way to deal with the mess you've left us. If it's any consolation, you're only the latest generation of the past 10,000 years to pass the buck, and each time it becomes a little heavier. When you passed it on, it crossed the line into the full-blown threat of human extinction. So we can't pass it on like you did, or your parents or your grandparents, because if we do, there won't be a humanity left. As for "downright destructive to freedom," as the Thirty Theses clearly show, that <em>is</em> a good description of civilization. And I agree, civilization <em>is</em> sickening. It’s not secular humanism at all. It’s deep ecology, it’s ecopsychology, it’s systems thinking, you could even call it animism, but it’s not secular humanism. Secular humanism is all too often blatantly anti-environment, acting as if there’s a trade-off to be made between human interests, and the foundation of all human interests.

As for “the 60s ‘doom’ movement,” to quote the documentary What a Way to Go, “Remember thirty years ago, when scientists told us, ‘If we don’t do something in 30 years, we’re going to be in some serious trouble’? Well it’s now, and we are, because we didn’t.” If The Thirty Theses seems reminiscent of claims you heard back in the ’60s, it’s because for people like me who weren’t alive at the time, we now need to face the consequences of your inaction. You were the last group that had a chance to change things, but you didn’t even try. That’s why my generation now needs to come up with some way to deal with the mess you’ve left us.

If it’s any consolation, you’re only the latest generation of the past 10,000 years to pass the buck, and each time it becomes a little heavier. When you passed it on, it crossed the line into the full-blown threat of human extinction. So we can’t pass it on like you did, or your parents or your grandparents, because if we do, there won’t be a humanity left.

As for “downright destructive to freedom,” as the Thirty Theses clearly show, that is a good description of civilization. And I agree, civilization is sickening.

]]> By: NH http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-169564 NH Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:32:26 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-169564 Secular humanism -- boring and reminiscent of the 60s 'doom' movement if not downright destructive to freedom. Sickening. Secular humanism — boring and reminiscent of the 60s ‘doom’ movement if not downright destructive to freedom.

Sickening.

]]> By: buddh•ism ad•junkt › Good article on Hilltribes in Cambodia http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-162624 buddh•ism ad•junkt › Good article on Hilltribes in Cambodia Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:03:14 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-162624 [...] I’m not sure exactly what particular horse Fernandez is beating here: does he feel that horticulture is somehow a negative term, and that ‘craftsmen’ is better? Fine. But he seems to be deeply confused about the difference between horticulture and agriculture. There’s an excellent post by Jason on this over at Anthropik (see also this post, both part of his excellent “Thirty Theses” series). In the transition to modern society, lowlanders generally force tribal people off the best land, with a typical defense in the face of conflict being to simply push deeper into the forest. Very few tribes in the 21st century are living on the land they once inhabited. With commercial farms and others taking the choice land closest to rivers and oceans, the immediate impact on the tribal diet is they can no longer supplement it through the fishing or river trading. [...] […] I’m not sure exactly what particular horse Fernandez is beating here: does he feel that horticulture is somehow a negative term, and that ‘craftsmen’ is better? Fine. But he seems to be deeply confused about the difference between horticulture and agriculture. There’s an excellent post by Jason on this over at Anthropik (see also this post, both part of his excellent “Thirty Theses” series). In the transition to modern society, lowlanders generally force tribal people off the best land, with a typical defense in the face of conflict being to simply push deeper into the forest. Very few tribes in the 21st century are living on the land they once inhabited. With commercial farms and others taking the choice land closest to rivers and oceans, the immediate impact on the tribal diet is they can no longer supplement it through the fishing or river trading. […]

]]> By: Making Peace With Death (Blog) - Page 3 - Personal Development for Smart People Forums http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-94553 Making Peace With Death (Blog) - Page 3 - Personal Development for Smart People Forums Fri, 04 May 2007 03:07:15 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-94553 [...] Originally Posted by Sam988 I don't know about you guys, but i dont want death, and i'm going to do everything i can to avoid it. To know more visit: Immortality Institute ~ Advocacy & Research For Unlimited Lifespans KurzweilAI.net [...] Anyways, its much easier to believe in immortality here on earth than to believe on immortality by us being spiritual beings. At least for me... I occasionally post on the imminst.org forum, and have gotten kurweil's newsletter for a while now. His latest book, "The Singularity is Near" is well done, along with his and Aubrey deGrey's talks on ted.com, though I also enjoy reading other views such as that of primitivism found here The Thirty Theses (The Anthropik Network) I find much of the singularity/transhumanism info to be interesting, and optimally would like to be able to remain youthful for as long as I like, while having the ability to enter astral realms and decide if/when physical death is desirable. As long as I'm enjoying myself here, why not stay? Whatever is after this life can likely wait. A lifespan of a few millenia would still be fairly brief in the grand scheme of things anyhow. That said, I'm generally okay with the idea of dying at any moment. I've lived a very experience filled life already. I used to write poetry about death being my constant companion, as I'd had so many close encounters with it. Nearly losing one's own life or that of a close family member can wake one up for a while. In my view it's fine to mourn the loss of someone close, or of a favorite tv show not being given a new season Tears can be cleansing. It should also be fine to celebrate good times shared. As for whether or not pain can be pleasurable, does no one get hickeys anymore? [...] […] Originally Posted by Sam988 I don’t know about you guys, but i dont want death, and i’m going to do everything i can to avoid it. To know more visit: Immortality Institute ~ Advocacy & Research For Unlimited Lifespans KurzweilAI.net […] Anyways, its much easier to believe in immortality here on earth than to believe on immortality by us being spiritual beings. At least for me… I occasionally post on the imminst.org forum, and have gotten kurweil’s newsletter for a while now. His latest book, "The Singularity is Near" is well done, along with his and Aubrey deGrey’s talks on ted.com, though I also enjoy reading other views such as that of primitivism found here The Thirty Theses (The Anthropik Network) I find much of the singularity/transhumanism info to be interesting, and optimally would like to be able to remain youthful for as long as I like, while having the ability to enter astral realms and decide if/when physical death is desirable. As long as I’m enjoying myself here, why not stay? Whatever is after this life can likely wait. A lifespan of a few millenia would still be fairly brief in the grand scheme of things anyhow. That said, I’m generally okay with the idea of dying at any moment. I’ve lived a very experience filled life already. I used to write poetry about death being my constant companion, as I’d had so many close encounters with it. Nearly losing one’s own life or that of a close family member can wake one up for a while. In my view it’s fine to mourn the loss of someone close, or of a favorite tv show not being given a new season Tears can be cleansing. It should also be fine to celebrate good times shared. As for whether or not pain can be pleasurable, does no one get hickeys anymore? […]

]]> By: Cathrea http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-54765 Cathrea Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:47:14 +0000 http://anthropik.com/thirty/#comment-54765 Very interesting reading. I am not ready for the hunter gatherer society but I can live with and society with the civilization and technology that existed in Europe in the 1600's. So I have been part of the SCA since 1979. It is a step in the right direction as the technology circa 1600 is pre-industrial revolution and is very much familial in most of its aspects. And while it is true that the SCA does have a hierarchy that form is far more fluid an establishment then the modern hierarchy here in America. For more information on the SCA please go to http://www.sca.org and find out what we have been doing to create a currently available transitional society between the modern and the post collapse societies. Thanks for reading this. Namarie, Cathrea Very interesting reading. I am not ready for the hunter gatherer society but I can live with and society with the civilization and technology that existed in Europe in the 1600’s. So I have been part of the SCA since 1979. It is a step in the right direction as the technology circa 1600 is pre-industrial revolution and is very much familial in most of its aspects. And while it is true that the SCA does have a hierarchy that form is far more fluid an establishment then the modern hierarchy here in America. For more information on the SCA please go to http://www.sca.org
and find out what we have been doing to create a currently available transitional society between the modern and the post collapse societies.
Thanks for reading this.

Namarie,
Cathrea

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