The Thirty Theses

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See “The Future of the Thirty” for what’s currently going on with the Thirty Theses.

  1. Diversity is the primary good.
  2. Evolution is the result of diversity.
  3. Humans are products of evolution.
  4. Human population is a function of food supply.
  5. Humans are neither good nor evil.
  6. Humans are still Pleistocene animals.
  7. Humans are best adapted to band life.
  8. Human societies are defined by their food.
  9. Agriculture is difficult, dangerous and unhealthy.
  10. Emergent elites led the Agricultural Revolution.
  11. Hierarchy is an unnecessary evil.
  12. Civilization must always grow.
  13. Civilization always pursues complexity.
  14. Complexity is subject to diminishing returns.
  15. We have passed the point of diminishing returns.
  16. Technology cannot stop collapse.
  17. Environmental problems may lead to collapse.
  18. Peak Oil may lead to collapse.
  19. Complexity ensures collapse.
  20. Collapse is an economizing process.
  21. Civilization makes us sick.
  22. Civilization has no monopoly on medicine.
  23. Civilization has no monopoly on knowledge.
  24. Civilization has no monopoly on art.
  25. Civilization reduces quality of life.
  26. Collapse is inevitable.
  27. Collapse increases quality of life.
  28. Humanity will almost certainly survive.
  29. It will be impossible to rebuild civilization.
  30. The future will be what we make of it.

What are these?

We all have basic assumptions about the world, human nature, and the relationship between the two. We are taught certain perspectives as children, and this recieved wisdom forms the common ground for communication. Ultimately, when we see the whole picture, our major disagreements are squabbles over details. Should gays be allowed to marry? We assume here a common understanding of what “marriage” means. Should we raise or lower taxes? We assume the legitimacy of government, and of taxes at all!

What happens when the disagreement occurs at an even more basic level? Like, whether or not our civilization is even a good thing?

The case is complex, but in truth no more complex than our “common ground” of unexamined, recieved wisdom. In many cases, it is much less complex. But it is different. Since forming these ideas, I have faced an increasing obstacle in communication. Unspoken, differing assumptions force me routinely to return to the same arguments again and again. So I resolved some time ago to crystalize my philosophy into a single, comprehensive work, which could from a base for further communication.

There have been several failed attempts at this, the most recent being “The Anthropik Canon.” The Thirty Theses recycles much of my previous work, but extends and elaborates on all of it, as well. This is my latest attempt to develop a comprehensive treatment of my core philosophy, reduced to thirty pronouncements which I individually defend.

You are also watching the writing of an “open source” book in real time. These will become the rough drafts to a final book version that will be published by the Tribe of Anthropik and distributed online, including through this website. Your comments, criticisms and questions about these entries will be addressed and incorporated into the final work.

Jason Godesky
Technoshaman, Tribe of Anthropik
28 July 2005

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  1. […] He isn’t alone in seeing what he wants to see of course - the Viridian camp sees a shiny green future awaiting us in the post oil world, old school oil guys like T Boone Pickens see a exploration and drilling bonanza, energy industry investors like Matt Simmons and Henry Groppe see soaring energy prices, gold bugs see rampart inflation and soaring gold prices, ferals and hippies see a return to living closer to nature, socialists see the revivial of marxism, conspiracy theorists see government/elite conspiracies and the rise of the new world order, primitivists see the collapse of industrial civilisation and human dieoff, libertarians see an opportunity for the market to bring new energy sources and technoloies to us, fascists see an opportunity for a return to authoritarianism and some of the uglier approaches to population control used by their ilk in the past, economists see suuply and demand issues being resolved by energy prices, military-industrial complex members see the need to militarily dominate the energy rich regions of the planet, end-times Christian fundamentalists see another symptom of the impending rapture and survivalists see an opportunity to say “I told you so” and finally get to use the skills and tools they’ve spent their lives practicing for. […]

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  2. […] Certain changes are taking place within the tribe. We’re beginning to research the practical side of tribalism (hunting, gathering, et cetera), we might be adding two new official members, and Jason plans to have The Thirty Theses completed within the next month or so. Best of all, Jason and I are now engaged. Our impending wedding is raising a lot of questions about how to create a tribal wedding when most - if not all - of one’s cultural traditions are sexist, hierarchical, and materialistic. […]

    Pingback by Changes in the Tribe » The Anthropik Network — 2 January 2006 @ 12:39 AM

  3. […] Lately I find myself reading many posts and essays over at The Anthropik Network. This collective focuses on topics such as complexity and diversity in cultures, resource consumption patterns of populations, and the collapse of civilizations. One contributer, Jason Godesky, is slowly putting up his Thirty Theses that crystalize a core world view relating to the relationship between the natural world and human nature. Fascinating work. […]

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  4. […]  Ett kollektiv av grönanarkister som under ett drygt år skrivit oehört initierade och genomtänkta texter om allt mellan himmel och jord. Deras teser, deras artiklar om både shamanism och Peak-Oil är utmärkt läsning. Fyrasvartgröna stjärnor av fem även den. […]

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  5. […] Un nota suelta: si están interesados en lo que parece ser el eminente colapso civilizacional que se avecina, chequeen esto […]

    Pingback by Liar-Q CPU: el blog de Señor Loop » Blog Archive » Buzón de sugerencias — 27 July 2006 @ 3:22 PM

  6. […] Nu när jag fått gråta av mig lite så ska jag försöka skriva mer konstruktiva texter. Först och främst hade jag tänkt förklara för grönanarkister som Väinämöinen varför jag tror på en fredlig linje. Då hade jag tänkt rada upp mina premisser, med källor som stöttepelare, och ur premisserna dra en slutsats. Det kunde, förenklat, kunna ha sett ut så här: Civilisationen kommer att kollapsa inom detta århundrade, eftersom livsnödvändiga råvaror som olja börjar sina, och när efterfrågan är långt större än tillgången kommer civilisationen att äta upp sig själv istället. (Se Jason Godeskys 30 teser och Life After The Oil Crash.) […]

    Pingback by FIMBULVINTER - anarko-primitivism på svenska :: Svaga premisser :: October :: 2006 — 14 October 2006 @ 3:06 PM

  7. […] Last year while I was in France, I came across Jason Godesky’s theses on humanity and civilization’s prospects during the next century or so. At the time, I had planned to write a response, mainly because I found the logic underpinning the conclusions to be embrasive of an attitude I believe negligent — the notion that by in its very functioning, agricultural society exceeds ‘natural laws’ that regulate population levels, and so there is really nothing to be done to prevent a mass die-off. I even got so far as to write two portions of my response before I decided that responding wasn’t worth the effort, since the notions proposed are not widespread and the issue was essentially one of definitions: Godesky believes that civilization is essentially unsustainable, and so will collapse of necessity, while I do not. At the same time, I don’t think there won’t be a massive collapse or recession resulting in mass instability; in fact, I find that possibility to be very likely. I just don’t believe that collapse to have been entrained 11,000 years ago with the birth of agricultural activity. […]

    Pingback by Fragments, or: » Blog Archive » “Food Race” — 14 October 2006 @ 7:20 PM

  8. […] These are our questions; these are our hopes. With The Thirty Theses, we have managed to share our rationale, but it has been considerably more difficult to communicate our vision. How can we communicate our vision? The ways vision has always been communicated: in an imaginal reality, a shared dream, by a shaman, in art, in a role-playing game. The Thirty Theses told you why we believe what we believe; now, we will share with you what we believe. […]

    Pingback by The Fifth World Manifesto (The Anthropik Network) — 13 November 2006 @ 5:47 PM

  9. […] Simple, it is how it has “always” been done. “Always” of course, means since the agricultural revolution, because, as we now know, human life was infinitely better for 99.9% of its history, as so eloquently laid out by Jason Godesky, in his “Thirty Theses”. The educational system took a turn for the worse, via the usual method; “standardization”. Make everybody the same, make them think the same, act the same, dress the same. “Children should be seen and not heard”, is a good example. These tactics are used not only to force children to conform to social and cultural concepts, but to time itself. We are born oblivious to time, it doesn’t exist to children. Before you create slaves out of people whose deepest instincts and desire if freedom, you must acclimate them to the false construct of time. As John Zerzan writes: For a while in my 20s, I asked visitors to take off their watches as they entered my home. Even today children must be broken of their resistance to time. This was one of the primary reasons for the imposition of this country’s mandatory school system on a largely unwilling public. School teaches you to be at a certain place at a certain time, and prepares you for life in a factory. It calibrates you to the system. French situationist Raoul Vaneigem has a wonderful quote about this: “The child’s days escape adult time; their time is swollen by subjectivity, passion, dreams haunted by reality. Outside, the educators look on, waiting, watch in hand, till the child joins and fits the cycle of the hours.” […]

    Pingback by Matrix of (Un)Reality « Permanently Indignant — 15 November 2006 @ 6:25 PM

  10. […] And while we are talking about hilarious, the Anthropik Network’s advocacy of primitivism and survivalist tribalism is whacky if not downright sinister but their 30 Theses make for a thought provoking read. One bit we can agree with is their catchcry that “First, civilization is fragile, and second, humans are not”. Of course, as they point out, we all see these things through our own prejudices He isn’t alone in seeing what he wants to see of course - the Viridian camp sees a shiny green future awaiting us in the post oil world, old school oil guys like T Boone Pickens see a exploration and drilling bonanza, energy industry investors like Matt Simmons and Henry Groppe see soaring energy prices, gold bugs see rampart inflation and soaring gold prices, ferals and hippies see a return to living closer to nature, socialists see the revival of marxism, conspiracy theorists see government/elite conspiracies and the rise of the new world order, primitivists see the collapse of industrial civilisation and human dieoff, libertarians see an opportunity for the market to bring new energy sources and technologies to us, fascists see an opportunity for a return to authoritarianism and some of the uglier approaches to population control used by their ilk in the past, economists see supply and demand issues being resolved by energy prices, military-industrial complex members see the need to militarily dominate the energy rich regions of the planet, end-times Christian fundamentalists see another symptom of the impending rapture and survivalists see an opportunity to say “I told you so” and finally get to use the skills and tools they’ve spent their lives practicing for. […]

    Pingback by adaptivereuse.net » Blog Archive » The joy of apocalypse — 27 January 2007 @ 9:23 AM

  11. […] To look down on this practice, in fact, shows the hypocrisy in most modern folks…because what other explanation can you provide for the lack of activity in dissolving civilization? We have plenty of clear evidence for the inevitable collapse of civilization. But we don’t find it interesting, any more than an addict would to know about more reasons to quit smoking. We have plenty of information right now. We don’t need Al Gore to tell us. Simply looking out our kitchen windows has sufficed for decades to give us all the information we need. […]

    Pingback by The College of Mythic Cartography » Blog Archive » Rainy Day Rant — 22 February 2007 @ 8:08 PM

  12. How does a Rix go feral?

    I still remember the first seeds of my rewilding.  They were sown in my childhood–little things that took root.  My mom told me one time, while I was blowing away dandelion fluff and making wishes, that dandelions were edible.  She had never e…

    Trackback by WildeRix — 28 February 2007 @ 5:05 PM

  13. […] Originally Posted by Sam988 I don’t know about you guys, but i dont want death, and i’m going to do everything i can to avoid it. To know more visit: Immortality Institute ~ Advocacy & Research For Unlimited Lifespans KurzweilAI.net […] Anyways, its much easier to believe in immortality here on earth than to believe on immortality by us being spiritual beings. At least for me… I occasionally post on the imminst.org forum, and have gotten kurweil’s newsletter for a while now. His latest book, "The Singularity is Near" is well done, along with his and Aubrey deGrey’s talks on ted.com, though I also enjoy reading other views such as that of primitivism found here The Thirty Theses (The Anthropik Network) I find much of the singularity/transhumanism info to be interesting, and optimally would like to be able to remain youthful for as long as I like, while having the ability to enter astral realms and decide if/when physical death is desirable. As long as I’m enjoying myself here, why not stay? Whatever is after this life can likely wait. A lifespan of a few millenia would still be fairly brief in the grand scheme of things anyhow. That said, I’m generally okay with the idea of dying at any moment. I’ve lived a very experience filled life already. I used to write poetry about death being my constant companion, as I’d had so many close encounters with it. Nearly losing one’s own life or that of a close family member can wake one up for a while. In my view it’s fine to mourn the loss of someone close, or of a favorite tv show not being given a new season Tears can be cleansing. It should also be fine to celebrate good times shared. As for whether or not pain can be pleasurable, does no one get hickeys anymore? […]

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  14. […] I’m not sure exactly what particular horse Fernandez is beating here: does he feel that horticulture is somehow a negative term, and that ‘craftsmen’ is better? Fine. But he seems to be deeply confused about the difference between horticulture and agriculture. There’s an excellent post by Jason on this over at Anthropik (see also this post, both part of his excellent “Thirty Theses” series). In the transition to modern society, lowlanders generally force tribal people off the best land, with a typical defense in the face of conflict being to simply push deeper into the forest. Very few tribes in the 21st century are living on the land they once inhabited. With commercial farms and others taking the choice land closest to rivers and oceans, the immediate impact on the tribal diet is they can no longer supplement it through the fishing or river trading. […]

    Pingback by buddh•ism ad•junkt › Good article on Hilltribes in Cambodia — 17 July 2007 @ 11:03 AM

  15. […] Av samma författare finns en samling essäer med argument för civilisationens ohållbarhet och fördelarna med att leva som naturfolk: http://anthropik.com/thirty […]

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  16. […] Anthropik’s Thirty Theses on Human Life and Civilization: thoughts on the values of the biosphere and the civilization’s inherent conflicts with these values […]

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  17. […] I’m not just doing this for my son. When the Crash happens, whether it’s as fast as Anthropik predicts or as slow as Ran Prieur depicts, I want to be ready. And I want my son to be ready too. And if you […]

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Comments

  1. friends,

    i can understand what you are trying to do - i wish you the best. these are strange days indeed.

    uptown ruler

    Comment by uptown ruler — 25 October 2005 @ 12:29 PM

  2. half a lap to go!
    keep on running

    i cannot thank you enough for giving me so much to think about, reading material, and making the grind worth it.

    Comment by Anonymous — 12 November 2005 @ 12:41 AM

  3. The grey background - while aesthetically pleasing - causes my eyes to hurt much more than a white one when reading your thesis. I will copy and paste and read them, but a white background (or the option of the same) would be an improvement from my understanding.

    Otherwise, nice site.

    Comment by jane — 18 January 2006 @ 5:30 AM

  4. You mean the margins? OK … I’m planning a redesign soon, so I’ll keep that in mind.

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 18 January 2006 @ 10:45 AM

  5. White background? that’ll make MY eyes hurt, what about making it darker?

    I’m not joking either, although it must look funny

    Comment by Aaron — 21 January 2006 @ 4:47 AM

  6. Great stuff here. I have you linked at our site, as well. I think we believe much of the same thing. I have some material I want to put on the site (and I can send to you).. I am also working on an “open source” book project - great name for it, by the way. And don’t redesign! The site is so good! Heh. I found you guys via some shamanism link, an article about how some of it is crackpot or something. Keep up the great work, and talk again soon.

    Comment by anonymous world citizen — 17 February 2006 @ 9:00 PM

  7. One more thing - wanted to clarify, when I said I had material, I did mean for OUR site (NOT FOOLED) - I wouldn’t mess with your already-great structure! But I’m going to send a few things your way, just for you to check out.

    Comment by anonymous world citizen — 17 February 2006 @ 9:02 PM

  8. Heh, maybe an annoying question but: when do you think you will have the book finished Jason?

    I can’t wait to get it and spread it around. Maybe I could translate it in Dutch if I find the time, although people here should be able to understand english quite well.

    Comment by gunnix — 21 February 2006 @ 6:04 PM

  9. Mid-2006, perhaps?

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 21 February 2006 @ 6:06 PM

  10. I stand in awe, man, and I look forward to digging through this. I’m sick as a dog, lying on the couch and feeding of some neighbor’s wireless….this looks like a good way to spend a day. Thanks for this.

    Comment by Wombaticus Rex — 28 February 2006 @ 2:43 PM

  11. I don’t know where it would be appropriate to post this seeking a response from the site regulars, so I thought the last entry in the the “30T” would be as good a place as any.

    I just read this very pessimistic interview of scientist and author James Lovelock on global warming. Here’s a quote from it:

    “Across the world, from the American Indians to the aborigines of Australia to European hunters, research is suggesting that native peoples played a key role in the burning of forests and the extinction of thousands of species. “

    Jason is the anthropology answer-guy, but I would be interested in hearing what anybody around here has to say in response to this assertion by Mr. Lovelock. :-)

    Comment by Thomas Rondy — 5 September 2006 @ 12:35 PM

  12. so I thought the last entry in the the “30T” would be as good a place as any.

    As would the cover page of the same series, where I in fact ended up putting it. :-D

    Comment by Thomas Rondy — 5 September 2006 @ 12:37 PM

  13. I wrote a response to Lovelock’s claim back when it was first circulating in advance of the publication of Gaia’s Revenge, in the form of an article with the same title: “Gaia’s Revenge.”

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 5 September 2006 @ 12:50 PM

  14. I’m glad I discovered this website. It is certainly not lacking in worthwhile reading material.

    Comment by Thomas Rondy — 5 September 2006 @ 3:14 PM

  15. Thank you!

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 5 September 2006 @ 3:48 PM

  16. Also, my own response to the specific claim about deforestation (you already answered the one about extinctions in a one of the 30T) is that while it makes me sad to think of primitive humans abusing the environment, what harm they did before agriculture was vastly exceeded by the harm they did with the implementation of totalitarian agriculture.

    Hopefully a mythology will be developed by our primitive-living descendants about the devestation wraught by humans during The Time of Madness so that they know why they would be well-served not to repeat the mistake!

    Comment by Thomas Rondy — 5 September 2006 @ 8:16 PM

  17. Comment by Giulianna Lamanna — 7 September 2006 @ 7:11 AM

  18. I would very much like to send you an email with attachments. If at all possible please could you let me have an email address. Love, light, peace, truth, & justice.

    Comment by Julie — 27 September 2006 @ 4:35 AM

  19. Contact info is available on our author pages: me, Giuli and Mike.

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 27 September 2006 @ 10:11 AM

  20. Ha! Mr. Godesky, you’re a freakin’ smart one. I only read your post at metafilter, one thesis here, and the title to all your other 29. Don’t need to read any more, but I will.

    Amazingly enough I too have come to a similar conclusion, right down to #30: the future is still unwritten.

    But unfortunately, I also believe most people are either too stupid, scared, or greedy to change until it’s too late; and that their unwillingness to face reality in time to make a difference will bring every one else down with them.

    Where do you see religion in all this? Seems to me if we could get rid of all the christians who are convinced jeebeshus is going to give them a new earth, the US might actually stand a chance of doing some good. As it is, we’re going to do much damage to the rest of the world while we implode…

    Comment by Johanna — 1 December 2006 @ 4:43 AM

  21. Thanks for your kind words, Johanna. Every society has its religion; it’s part of culture, and as such, it supports whatever it is that the culture needs. Check out “No One Dies For Religion.” The same applies here. The role of religion in contemporary American is not a reason, but a rationalization. It is driving forward the expanding complexity that our civilization requires to keep going. If you somehow strip away the religion but leave the civilization, the need will remain, and it will simply be replaced by some other excuse. I thought the South Park episode with Richard Dawkins was actually fairly spot-on, showing how you could just as easily use another excuse for the exact same ends. So I think that religion is a red herring. All too often, we accept the rhetoric at face value that religion is why these things are happening. But that’s not the case at all; religion is just the excuse cooked up once you’ve already decided what it is you’re going to do for entirely other reasons. Humans aren’t rational creatures—we’re rationalizing creatures.

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 1 December 2006 @ 10:50 AM

  22. Very interesting reading. I am not ready for the hunter gatherer society but I can live with and society with the civilization and technology that existed in Europe in the 1600’s. So I have been part of the SCA since 1979. It is a step in the right direction as the technology circa 1600 is pre-industrial revolution and is very much familial in most of its aspects. And while it is true that the SCA does have a hierarchy that form is far more fluid an establishment then the modern hierarchy here in America. For more information on the SCA please go to http://www.sca.org
    and find out what we have been doing to create a currently available transitional society between the modern and the post collapse societies.
    Thanks for reading this.

    Namarie,
    Cathrea

    Comment by Cathrea — 28 February 2007 @ 6:47 PM

  23. Secular humanism — boring and reminiscent of the 60s ‘doom’ movement if not downright destructive to freedom.

    Sickening.

    Comment by NH — 5 August 2007 @ 9:32 AM

  24. It’s not secular humanism at all. It’s deep ecology, it’s ecopsychology, it’s systems thinking, you could even call it animism, but it’s not secular humanism. Secular humanism is all too often blatantly anti-environment, acting as if there’s a trade-off to be made between human interests, and the foundation of all human interests.

    As for “the 60s ‘doom’ movement,” to quote the documentary What a Way to Go, “Remember thirty years ago, when scientists told us, ‘If we don’t do something in 30 years, we’re going to be in some serious trouble’? Well it’s now, and we are, because we didn’t.” If The Thirty Theses seems reminiscent of claims you heard back in the ’60s, it’s because for people like me who weren’t alive at the time, we now need to face the consequences of your inaction. You were the last group that had a chance to change things, but you didn’t even try. That’s why my generation now needs to come up with some way to deal with the mess you’ve left us.

    If it’s any consolation, you’re only the latest generation of the past 10,000 years to pass the buck, and each time it becomes a little heavier. When you passed it on, it crossed the line into the full-blown threat of human extinction. So we can’t pass it on like you did, or your parents or your grandparents, because if we do, there won’t be a humanity left.

    As for “downright destructive to freedom,” as the Thirty Theses clearly show, that is a good description of civilization. And I agree, civilization is sickening.

    Comment by Jason Godesky — 6 August 2007 @ 8:48 AM

  25. brilliant

    glad I stumbled across this

    Comment by jacques de beaufort — 4 May 2008 @ 8:20 PM

  26. Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.

    “The case is complex, but in truth no more complex than our “common ground” of unexamined, recieved wisdom. In many cases, it is much less complex. But it is different. Since forming these ideas, I have faced an increasing obstacle in communication. Unspoken, differing assumptions force me routinely to return to the same arguments again and again. So I resolved some time ago to crystalize my philosophy into a single, comprehensive work, which could from a base for further communication.”

    I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.

    Comment by Evaine — 21 May 2008 @ 9:29 AM

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